craig [email] said at 2:02 PM 06-08-2006: I was thinking the same thing. Either that or it's a beautiful makeup job. I guess they didn't want to take him alive.
brandon [email] said at 2:14 PM 06-08-2006: If this world is wearing thin
And you're thinking of escape
I'll go anywhere with you
Just wrap me up in chains
But if you try to go alone
Don't think I'll understand
I'll do anything it takes
Chorus
Stay with me, stay with me
In the silence of your room
In the darkness of your dreams
You must only think of me
There can be no in between
When your pride is on the floor
I'll make you beg for more
In the darkness of your schemes
There among the souvenirs
And the useless memories
Chorus
You'd better hope and pray
That you make it safe
Back to your own world
You'd better hope and pray
That you wake one day
In your own world
'Cause when you sleep at night
They don't hear your cries
In your own world
Only time will tell
If you can break the spell
Back in your own world
brandon [email] said at 2:19 PM 06-08-2006: Seriously though, what's the deterrent in making him look like the Pope on his bier? Let's see some Zarqawi trauma. Let's see some soldiers jumproping with his intestines. Let's see some heads on pikes, corpses sodomized with broomsticks, troops pissing on limbs littering the ground. Dead Babies! Dead babies don't even need context, just throw a few in there.
The real problem isn't the men. It's the women. They see pictures like this and they think it's ok to keep egging their men on. What they need to see is just how dead it gets you and just how dead a dead baby can look. Deter the bitches and the men will follow
kiche [email] said at 2:27 PM 06-08-2006: now that we've finally killed zarqawi, former dictator of iraq, leader of al quaeda and the insurgency, orchestrator of the september the 11th terrorist attacks, do you think we'll be withdrawing our troops from iraq?
brandon [email] said at 2:43 PM 06-08-2006: Duh it's peru: llama bombs.
If we killed every last Iraqi on the planet, it still wouldn't be time to pull out (1) they wouldn't be able to form a stable government and (2) we're not there for any other reason than staking a claim when the oil market disputes turn hot. We're never leaving. Maybe decades from now, unless we're driven out.
brandon [email] said at 3:16 PM 06-08-2006: I'm looking forward to the coming war with China. If it's a prolonged affair we could really cut down on the world population problem. We should probably pick a fight with India, too.
art [email] said at 3:21 PM 06-08-2006: It would be far better if we could get India and China to fight each other. Then we could sell weapons to both sides.
brandon [email] said at 3:42 PM 06-08-2006: There's a Captain Planet Episode that covers exactly this scenario. Things do not end well for any involved.
kiche [email] said at 3:25 PM 06-08-2006: i call shenanigans on this.
the past week the war in iraq has been disastorous for bush and the republicans poll numbers.
i think they've known where this dude was for a long time and bush ordered him killed now so they can say, "we are turning a corner to see the end of the light at the end of the tunnel in iraq," or some such bullshit.
the coming months will be the same as the past months in iraq.
kiche [email] said at 4:07 PM 06-08-2006: i'm sorry, you're right.
this is the end of fighting in iraq which will become a bright beacon of democracy & peace which will spread throughout the middle east in the next few years.
kiche [email] said at 5:52 PM 06-08-2006: two things, first off i knew this was going to be a disaster before we went in; this gives me "i told you so" rights. secondly, every couple of months we are given a "turning point" pr moment by the bush administration. none of these turning points actually, y'know, turns though. how many "turning points" does it take to see that things ain't turning. i'm willing to be on the betting side this ain't a real turn.
art [email] said at 12:15 PM 06-09-2006: I don't know if this is a turning point. We won't know that until later. But it IS good news especially coupled with the choosing of the rest of the ministers
anthony [email] said at 5:01 PM 06-08-2006: I will preface this and say that I am not pro-war, nor do I have a solution for the current war in Iraq, but I don't see how pulling out anytime soon would be a win-win situation for America or Iraq. I didn't support going over there to begin with, but the idea of packing and leaving seems irresponsible and morally wrong.
I think this guy's death was probably a good thing, even though someone's already assumed his role.
kiche [email] said at 5:58 PM 06-08-2006: i will preface this and say that i am not anti-war, nor do i have a solution for the current war in iraq, but i don't see how staying there for any more time would be a win-win situation for america or iraq. i didn't support going over there to begin with, and the idea of staying any longer seems irresponsible and morally wrong.
i think this guy's death was probably a good thing, even though someone's already assumed his role.
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sorry, had to.
but seriously, how long are we going to stay? until the entire country has been obliterated? i agreed with the sentiments you expressed a year ago. but at that time i refused to face one thing. that one thing is "why are we there."
it is to profit oil companies, pure and simple.
we should not focus on what is best for oil companies. we should focus on what is best for americans and iraqis, and leaving is the best option for all.
i would like to add a post script saying that a pro-american saudi style islamic theocracy ONLY benifits oil companies. and this is what we are headed towards in iraq.
josh [email] said at 3:37 PM 06-09-2006: i don't really see how us leaving is great for the iraqis, though... isn't our presence JUST BARELY keeping the various factions from breaking down into a genocidal civil war?
what we really should do is let them break their country up... the kurds basically run their section as a seperate entity already... let them have that section and make it sustainable. if the sunis and the shi'i want to do something similar, let them, also.
i just wouldn't like the idea of us leaving and the various groups starting an ethnic cleansing.
kiche [email] said at 4:24 PM 06-09-2006: i don't see how us staying is great for iraqis. we are making regular iraqis hostile towards us and fueling the insurgency.
breaking up iraq is the best idea. we won't do this, though, because then we wind up with an independent kurdistan. the kurds claim part of iraq, iran and turkey as part of kurdistan. turkey would cease to be our ally if we created an independent kurdistan because they have problems with kurdish indepence terrorsits in the kurdish section of turkey. if they were to cease to be our allies they would probably run into the arms of islamic fundamentallists who are a growing force in their country. this would throw off the entire balance of the middle east, so no kurdistan and no partition :-(
this is just another of a myriad of reasons why we should never have invaded in the first place.
leaving has dangers but so does staying.
th thing is, leaving increasingly looks better than staying.
if we stay it will stop ethnic cleansing? they're doing that now. if we leave they will start a civil war? they're in a civil war now. i would back staying if there was, y'know, a plan; but there isn't one. the idiots who got us into this mess are still running the show.
look at how bad things are now. imagine how much worse they will be in early 2009, the first time we may get someone in there that can clean up this mess. whether the mess is still salvagable now is immaterial. we need to think if it will be salvagable in two and a half years. i doubt it. and it is quite possible that we won't get some one in the white house who will have a reallistic view of iraq for more than 6 or 10 years. looking at iraq from this view offering up "how to fix things now" solutions are completely worthless. best to get a jump on the game and start agitating for withdrawal.
kate [email] said at 5:20 PM 06-08-2006: i was going to post this picture too. it's just too surreal. i mean look at it. a gold frame around a close up of a dead guy, and then this young soldier, sort of proud of it...WEIRD!
brandon [email] said at 5:45 PM 06-08-2006: If our President were a real man, he'd have Zarqawi's balls bronzed for door-knockers at the White House. Or, at least they'd be hanging off back of his trailer hitch. Next to his "Mess with the Best" sticker.
kate [email] said at 3:17 PM 06-09-2006: Josh's response kind of reminds me of the time when I was a kid that I kept on telling my brother that he really couldn't be a "Transformer" when he grew up. Mom kept on telling me to let him alone, but I insisted that he knew the truth!
josh [email] said at 4:20 PM 06-09-2006: thats weird. in the picture posted at the top, you can see how the picture is curling at the bottom corners. and there is darkening at the two top corners, like it was tape or tacks or something.
josh [email] said at 5:47 PM 06-09-2006: really? i saw a much more gorey version of this photo and you could see his body... though it could have been a photoshop job
craig [email] said at 5:54 PM 06-09-2006: I was wondering about this. I thought that they were deliberately trying to make this ambiguous by framing around his head.
also, it looks like they definitely cleaned him up for the official media photo shoot (cleaned him up and laid him back down on concrete). Supposedly he was alive when Iraqi police arrived, he mumbled something unintelligable, and then he died on a stretcher...
I wonder how one would become a makeup artist for the military? Perhaps that's why they originally started admitting gays?
craig [email] said at 7:28 PM 06-09-2006: All funeral directors are skilled in cleaning up corpses and applying makeup in order to cover up wounds. I am sure that there are several in the employ of the military.
kiche [email] said at 7:39 PM 06-09-2006: nah, gay people hook up to easily to have to resort to corpses. they're all straight guys, except for that karen greenlee chick. i think she said that corpses stink less than dudes.
kate [email] said at 6:03 PM 06-11-2006: I need to go to speed reading school for dummies. I totally read this wrong!!
He was the one who reportedly sawed off the head of Nicholas Berg, and now Zarqawi's head was appearing, lifeless, eyes closed, as if it too were somehow detached from his body.
