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 | kara [email] said at 1:29 PM 08-16-2004:
a sign from god of WHAT |
 | josh [email] said at 1:31 PM 08-16-2004:
that air conditioning is a sin - if God wanted it to be colder in Louisiana, he would have made the South be in Canada. |
 | meredith [email] said at 1:31 PM 08-16-2004:
That Milky is not allowed to change the condition of the air. |
 | kevin [email] said at 1:58 PM 08-16-2004:
REPORT SUSPICIOUS ACTIVITY! |
 | milky [email] said at 1:59 PM 08-16-2004:
It's a sign that what I'm currently trying to do in life is not working. |
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| kara [email] said at 2:11 PM 08-16-2004:
thinking that anything is a sign from God is a sign that you need to face your own reality and stop being superstitious. |
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| josh [email] said at 2:11 PM 08-16-2004:
100% agreement. |
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| milky [email] said at 4:16 PM 08-16-2004:
maybe sublime humor is past most people.
i don't think a faulty air conditioner that was "repaired" last week is a sign from god per se as i think it is funny enough to note as such on the frontpage.
maybe i should write paragraphs about how much life sucks or how poor i am. |
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| kara [email] said at 4:19 PM 08-16-2004:
if your post is humorous whats to say that my response isnt of the same tone |
Woody said at 5:01 PM 08-16-2004:
Now that's some funny shit. I think. Hell, I can't tell anymore. |
 | ed [email] said at 5:18 PM 08-16-2004:
a sign from God is a sign that you need to face your own reality
What if "your own reality" includes God? |
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| meredith [email] said at 5:19 PM 08-16-2004:
He can still tell you to face reality. |
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| ed [email] said at 5:23 PM 08-16-2004:
Then if you listened to Him, would that then make you too superstitious?
Yay! Introduction of a Catch-22 into the wild! |
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| milky [email] said at 5:20 PM 08-16-2004:
then you're just being superstitious i spose. |
 | brianbibbly [email] said at 5:20 PM 08-16-2004:
-"What if "your own reality" includes God?"
Then you're more delusional than we first believed. |
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| ed [email] said at 5:22 PM 08-16-2004:
Well, I've changed since I first started hanging around. So initial assessments would no longer be valid anyway. |
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| meredith [email] said at 5:21 PM 08-16-2004:
Is everyone on Killoggs an athiest? |
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| ed [email] said at 5:25 PM 08-16-2004:
I think Sonny and I are the two who admit openly to being non-atheist.
Oooh, and Sheldon, I think.
Any others I've missed? |
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| ed [email] said at 5:35 PM 08-16-2004:
Yay! |
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| ed [email] said at 7:05 PM 08-16-2004:
I thought of you, but you honestly seem to change camps so often that I wasn't sure where you were today.
And THIS IS NOT A SLAM. I honestly thought recent events had caused you to reconsider your position. |
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| milky [email] said at 7:46 PM 08-16-2004:
I can't, honestly. I still question the hell outta stuff. That's a given I guess. |
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| ed [email] said at 7:04 PM 08-16-2004:
Y'know how all dogs go to heaven?
All frogs go to hell. |
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| ed [email] said at 7:08 PM 08-16-2004:
And that said, I'm going to rescind my previous moratorium on dumbass fake HTML headers.
/kidding.
I know all Frogs don't go to Hell, Myriam. I was making with teh (unobvious) funnay. Oh, and probably unfunnay funnay, too. But what would I know? |
art said at 11:21 AM 08-17-2004:
I am also non-atheist. I am also non organized religion at this time, tho' I tend towards Protestantism. |
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| meredith [email] said at 11:29 AM 08-17-2004:
I am the same way. Organized religion causes most of the problems. |
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| josh [email] said at 5:29 PM 08-16-2004:
You'd have to be pretty arrogant to think that a supreme being would make your air conditioner blow up, or really, do anything to/for you, as a sign. |
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| meredith [email] said at 5:34 PM 08-16-2004:
Unless the explosion was accompanied by booming snickering from above. |
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| ed [email] said at 5:37 PM 08-16-2004:
Bwahaha! |
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| ed [email] said at 5:36 PM 08-16-2004:
Or you could be overwhelmed and humbled that the supreme being would take the time out of His busy schedule.
Humility is the path I choose. |
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| josh [email] said at 5:43 PM 08-16-2004:
The flaw with that logic is that to be "humbled" by seeing a "sign" you first have to be arrogant or self-centered enough to think what you are seeing _is_ a sign.
If you are walking around with the mindset that you should be watching out for overt "signs" (such as God making things happen or explode just for you) that a supreme being might throw at you, out of everyone in the world, I would say you are not very humble.
Additionally, I would say that if you feel that you have the mental capacity to discern what God is doing, and/or what his intention is by doing such things... I also don't think you are very humble. |
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| meredith [email] said at 5:45 PM 08-16-2004:
... unless there is the booming snickering... |
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| ed [email] said at 5:48 PM 08-16-2004:
Again with the funny! |
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| meredith [email] said at 5:49 PM 08-16-2004:
You should hear me when I'm bitter. I am funny when I'm bitter. |
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| milky [email] said at 5:54 PM 08-16-2004:
i've known many very humble people that have seen signs, and to suggest they haven't is being kind of assholish. i've found faith, belief in God, etc, to be very HIGHLY personalized...if it weren't, why would anyome believe anything that had no relavence to them? Maybe it is my personal thinking about my relationship with God that has made me arrogant, that my search for something more isn't humble.
I don't believe God made the air conditioner explode.
That I blame on his inferior servants. |
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| josh [email] said at 6:05 PM 08-16-2004:
i've known many very humble people that have seen signs, and to suggest they haven't is being kind of assholish. i've found faith, belief in God, etc, to be very HIGHLY personalized...
Sure, and I think it's assholish for a person to think that God does things for just them to see.
ESPECIALLY if they take the view of "I -KNOW- that was a sign" instead of "I -WONDER- if that was a sign". Anyone who can claim they KNOW God did something, and even moreso if they claim to know WHY he did it... well, they are some to be wary of, in my book. To be able to say you know, without a shadow of a doubt why someone that created the universe did something seems like the height of arrogance.
So, why are my beliefs any more assholish than theirs? |
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| milky [email] said at 6:45 PM 08-16-2004:
Nothing in faith or belief follows your standard of "beyond a shadow of a doubt."
Just doesn't work like that.
My belief is sort of a leap of faith. |
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| josh [email] said at 6:49 PM 08-16-2004:
Nothing in faith or belief follows your standard of "beyond a shadow of a doubt."
Uh, Milky... I didn't say it was MY standard, I said that anyone that says they know, "beyond a shadow of a doubt", what the creator wants, is a person I am wary of. Which sounds like exactly what you just said.
And if you feel that there are NOT people who DO in fact think they know EXACTLY what the creator wants, and also interpret events as statements from the creator... well, you just haven't been looking enough. There are lots of such people out there. |
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| ed [email] said at 6:51 PM 08-16-2004:
Many of them in fact, in the Bible. |
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| josh [email] said at 6:54 PM 08-16-2004:
I don't really have a problem with Moses saying he know what God wanted, since God spoke to him, after all. Ditto with the apostles, in general... they hung out with Jesus.
It's when someone like Jimmy Swaggart or Oral Roberts starts to say they know what the J man wants, that's when alarm bells go off... |
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| ed [email] said at 6:58 PM 08-16-2004:
My point exactly!
Listen to the message; forget the messenger. If the message is false, so is the messenger. |
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| brianbibbly [email] said at 6:51 PM 08-16-2004:
Choo Choo!!!!!!!!! Chuga-chuga-chuga-chuga . . . |
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| milky [email] said at 6:52 PM 08-16-2004:
No, I didn't say I was fanatical about belief or religion or anything. I'm skeptical in a log of things dealing with my religion and the people in and around it. |
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| milky [email] said at 6:45 PM 08-16-2004:
Nothing in faith or belief follows your standard of "beyond a shadow of a doubt."
Just doesn't work like that.
My belief is sort of a leap of faith. |
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| ed [email] said at 5:59 PM 08-16-2004:
It's obviously a semantical difference that we may not overcome, Josh. No, I don't walk around all day every day looking for "signs".
But many times in the last few months, things that have seemed "signs" to me have happened. Others may view them as coincidence...
Here's one. This past weekend was supposed to be the Promise Keepers convention in Orlando (hurricane canceled it, so snicker for a minute until I get to the end).
The week before the Promise Keepers convention was announced, I had a major (to me) financial issue, and was bummed that I wasn't going to be able to afford the $165 for the bus trip, hotel, and convention fees. Two days after PK was announced, I got an unexpected check for $185.
YES, this could simply be sloppy bookkeeping. But had the check come three days earlier, I would have probably spent the money on bills.
But the timing of it is just TOO coincidental. I get this sort of thing ALL THE TIME.
Oh, yeah. Back to the hurricane. So what was this, then? God saying "Haha, fooled you!"
Maybe. But to me, it was God doing me a favor. I dunno about you, but I'd MUCH rather spend a weekend in Orlando the first week of November than the third weekend in August.
Bottom line? No, I don't claim to be hip to God's plan. But I know that if I listen, and watch, I can see that He does *have* a plan. And really, that's okay for me. YMM(O)V.
ed. note: Promise Keepers is a convention which focuses on encouraging men to fulfill their promises as Christians. |
 | jake [email] said at 6:05 AM 08-18-2004:
jake note: I am amazed that killoggs, as a whole, took a pass on this one. Somebody say something about this. C'mon. Please. |
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| kara [email] said at 8:35 AM 08-18-2004:
Ed has amnesty, duh. |
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| ed [email] said at 9:39 AM 08-18-2004:
Ed hearts Kara.
But I don't expect nor want kid glove treatment. Hatas are welcome to ply their trade. They got their ideas and I got mine. I will never "argue" spirituality. What anyone believes is fine with me, as long as they're comfortable allowing me to believe what I do. |
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| jake [email] said at 11:17 AM 08-18-2004:
huh.
1. Ed, you argue spirituality all the time.
2. You have clearly shown that you are not willing to settle for being allowed to believe what you do--you want to be understood and you're willing to go to the mat over it.
3. I applaud both of those things--I think it's great that you bring the god love, and specifically the christ love, and will go a couple of rounds over philosophy, dogma, and semantics.
4. Hard to convey that there's no sarcasm in the above, so let me make it clear: No sarcasm is intended in the above
5. By conduct and direct statement, yeah, I think you've waived off whatever white flag you might have had.
6. Did I spell waive right?
7. Promise Keepers.
8. Somebody better go there on that one, cause if it ends up being me, it's not going to be pretty. |
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| ed [email] said at 11:38 AM 08-18-2004:
1. I discuss it, but I can't ever recall arguing with someone about it. There's no point, really.
2. Again, I am fully willing to discuss what I believe, and I am fully willing to listen to someone else during the same discussion. I'd hardly call that going to the mat...
3&4. 'Kay, thanks, I guess. I like being applauded.
5. I never knew I had one, nor did I want one. If someone wants to tell me I'm an idiot for believing what I do, they should, by all means.
6. If you'd used "waived" without "off", it would have been right. But since you used them together, it should be "waved off". Go fig.
7. I didn't name it, I'm just going.
8. Feel free... |
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| jake [email] said at 11:54 AM 08-18-2004:
1. I think your discussions come closer to the spirit of argument than the political fights we see here.
2. Maybe not all the way down to the mat, but you work up a decent arm-wrestle sweat.
3. You're welcome.
4. Glad you didn't feel condescended to for that.
5. Ed, you are a softy, and I don't think you're really ready to take some of the scorn you dish out. That's true of a lot of people--no insult intended. Religion is the one topic where I think it really does bother you to be mocked or belittled, and I think it shows in the way you respond. I'll look for a link if I get around to it today.
6. Got it.
7. It ain't the name that I find...response worthy.
8. Noted. |
 | shauna [email] said at 3:39 PM 08-16-2005:
ha ha! that's what archangels are for. |
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| milky [email] said at 5:26 PM 08-16-2004:
it's definitely a sign that the repair guys screwed something up. |
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| milky [email] said at 6:04 PM 08-16-2004:
Also, oddly ebough, I find it odd that I seem to be able to limp away from the strangest accidents. The fact that some of these improbable events even happen is pretty funny. |
 | cecil [email] said at 8:27 PM 08-16-2004:
We believe in nauthing.
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| cecil [email] said at 9:07 PM 08-16-2004:
This actually having nothing to do with what you three believe, I just love the way that looks. |
ben said at 3:52 PM 08-17-2004:
yay. i get to be the weird tall skinny guy! |
 | zack [email] said at 4:16 PM 08-17-2004:
you already are! |
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| cecil [email] said at 2:58 PM 08-16-2005:
haha, look at me trying not to offend, one year ago to the day. What a pussy. This image RULES. |
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| cecil [email] said at 3:00 PM 08-16-2005:
they're looking in the right direction and everything. |
ChrisP said at 2:26 PM 08-17-2004:
Personally, God speaks to me through fireballs occasionally. It's his way of saying, "Hey, dumbass, you didn't read the energy isolation procedure" or "Y'know, you could have checked that cable with your multimeter before you started screwing around in that panel". |
Connie [ url ]
said at 3:41 PM 08-17-2004:
The other day, I had my own "sign". I was in my office, using my computer, thinking of something that really really made me mad until my thoughts hit a climactic MAD. At that very moment, I clicked the mouse, my office had a power surge that made an "ENNNHH!" noise, and a quick jolt went through my hand. The internet in the whole building was out until the boss came back from vacation to fix it. I wonder if it was really me? |
 | Bendependent [email] said at 4:06 PM 08-17-2004:
i don't know anything about what, when, who, where, or why God is, and neither do you.
And i'm fine with that. I don't need to try to figure it out, cos it's not figureoutable. I know that I will die one day, and that's cool with me.
Whatever.
I have a sense of what is good and what is bad, and I try to stay on the good side. That's all there is to it. things will always work out. if they don't, they'll work out another way...until i die. I just want to meet the best people I can, learn as much as I can, fall in love, make people smile, and have a bloody lot of fun.
religion is a crutch... the same way playing guitar, drawing comics, & painting shit is for me...
i say whatever works for ya, stick with it... |
 | chrisx [email] said at 4:27 PM 08-17-2004:
I too have received a sign. I AM. |
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| milky [email] said at 1:58 PM 08-16-2005:
My Jesus candle went out Saturday.
Hooray for strange coincidences! | |
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