So the Jesuits have a great saying - it's on a lot of buildings, de-commissioned rectories, tombstones, and bumper-stickers around here, on account of Loyola, I guess: Ad Maiorem Dei Gloriam.
I think I've mentioned it before. Anyway, it's a simple little battle standard: a catch-all that alludes to the metaphysical gist and truly empyrean activities that actually inform the seemingly much-less-than-otherworldly business of these lawyers for the one true faith.
I just wonder, if, if perchance, naw, well... I'll ask anyway. Do you think that any of those recently uncovered Catholic pedophiles was a Jesuit?
Do you think, that maybe - just maybe - those little words occured to any of them, as - to rob a poem about infidelity of another type - they opened silk that never should have been opened?
Furthermore, do you think any catechism-trained ears pricked to hear the words ...Ad Maiorem Dei Gloriam... creep past, somewhere behind the vestments racks?
I wonder what the headlines are going to be, 10 years from now almost 6 years after they began to allow girls to serve as altar-servers, too...
Um, Meredith called. I've given her the black-lung, too.
I forgot where I was going with this. oh, a shiney nickel, that's gotta be worth 5 cents...
neilbert said at 12:30 AM 03-11-2002: Well, the worst part about the molestation by priests, was not the coverup, after all I'm pretty sure most organizations (religious, or not)
have had their fair share of such debauchery, but the fact that the chuch kept the priests around, instead of sending them packin' or better yet, to the fucking gallows!
I think that molestation of children is the worst crime one person can do to another and people who do that, should be obliterated.
Once again, I am curious as to why you pick on Christianity as a whole. Sure, Christianity proclaims itself as the one true way, and some of the more overzealous Christians use the "John the Baptist" approach to conversion, but is it any worse than any other religion? Is a guy coming up to in the street, or a guy coming up to you at a concert, telling you to convert (or go to hell, usually), any worse than hijacking a few jumbo jets and killing thousands of people in the name of "Allah." Oh, I'm sorry, that's not PC. It's o.k. to run Christians in the ground, but God forbid you rag on any of the other fucking insane religions out there. In the case of Islam, I'm sure it's just a peaceful, loving, religion, that was hijacked by a handful of radicals.
kiche [email] said at 11:32 AM 03-14-2002: man, christianity, the religion with a savior on a stick; now don't say anything bad about fundamentalist islam or scientology we want to respect their faiths and cultures.
josh [email] said at 12:24 PM 03-14-2002: Ever heard of the Children's Crusade? Or the Crusades in general?
Islam is not the only religion with radicals, by any means. Neither is Christianity. Any religion, indeed any sort of world view at all, has the possibility of being hijacked by extremists. Hopefully, these people will usually be recognized for what they are, not taken as the norm.
I doubt any sane person would say child molestation is a natural result of Catholicism. I'd hope they would also not say that terrorism is a natural result of Islam.
Rather, terrorism exists when one group has a goal they don't have the power to achieve militarily or politically. They do extreme actions to try to achieve those goals.
If you think terrorism is the sole reign of Islamics, what about the IRA? the Shining Path and MRTA in Peru? The LTTE in Sri Lanka? 17th of November in Turkey? The Farc? The New People's Army in the Phillipines? The ALF/ELF? The Japanese Red Army? The Manuel Rodriguez Patriotic Front? (I'm not going to debate whether these groups are terrorists or freedom fighters, but they have all been identified as terrorists at some point.) Not to mention the Unabomber, the Anthrax mailer and Timothy McVea.
None of these groups and individuals are Islamic, to my knowledge.
And as far as ragging on insane religions, who can say any of the _mainstream_ religions is more crazy than another? Speaking as an outside, Christianity has some weird shit involved in it. And Brandon's rants about it, to me, sound like the cries of someone who was raised Catholic. Not someone who knows very little about it blindly attacking something they are unfamiliar with.
brandon [email] said at 1:26 AM 03-11-2002: You're lucky, because you might have gotten "Aides." How was Mr. Porche's visit? Were you two downtown when that scaffolding fell? I sent you an e-mail about my condition. I was laid up all Friday, yesterday, and most of today. I might give you a call tomorrow, at work, if you can't do that "thing" for me, so at least you can patch me through to igor, so's that he can cook the documents for me.
brandon [email] said at 1:19 AM 03-11-2002: *thump* *thump* *thump* neighed the Dead horse. Christianity has it made, Neildork, it's not getting its feelings hurt or losing any of its billion + followers over some nay-saying from an ex-Catholic (1 billion people can't be wrong, can they?) Neither has Islam from numerous dissident authors (who I am certainly not classing myself with). But if you really want to get into it? I'm getting tired of your "PC" charges. Go fuck yourself with your mewling proto-conservative religious claptrap. If you would do anything more than parroting the crap sites, news sources, and bullshit history you're so fond of, and READ THIS SITE, THIS ONE, the one you're so fond of pouring the labels "PC, LIBERAL, COMMUNIST, RADICAL" you'd see that no one here falls under that label. But you don't think like that, do you, faggot? You think in labels.
brandon [email] said at 1:21 AM 03-11-2002: ...Speaking of which, shit-bird spectator on life, did they ever identify your (alleged) friend's residue at the World Trade Center? Fuck you, bitch.
brandon [email] said at 11:30 AM 03-11-2002: No, I'm just saying know your place: don't be snide when you are a drooling, mongloid eunuch. I swear to god, I'm going to piss on that cunt if I ever meet him in person.
milky [email] said at 11:36 AM 03-11-2002: Not taking sides, Brandon, but you'd better be packing at least a stick or a rock or something in that little fantasy.
Miss L'Amanda said at 5:31 PM 03-11-2002: You're going to piss on that cunt? Is this a new fetish for you? Interesting. By the way, the "residue" comment was inappropriate (best said with a highbrow British accent) We can't assume that all of Neil's friends are like Neil. For all you know, Neil may be calling you his friend behind your back. Sneaky,eh?
Pope John Paul II [ url ] said at 11:50 AM 03-11-2002: None of this would be going on if the Catholic Church had the respect, faith and devotion that it once held. Like say, in the Middle Ages.
Pope John Paul II [ url ] said at 9:42 AM 03-12-2002: Americans have lost control of their government. In a direct opposition to the freedom of religion you claim to have your government is invading the private actions of the Catholic Church.
brandon [email] said at 1:50 PM 03-12-2002: Wow thanks for noticing. I was thinking about throughing in some litotes. But, then, I had to back up and think a minute: "Does this really call for litotes: I mean seriously: litotes" Maybe another time, fr another pope.
anotherben said at 2:28 PM 03-12-2002: throughing? erratic homynyms, chiasmus and litotes - oh my! perhaps you should have gone for some sort of chiasmus/litote combo - no small task. but while new popes have pervaded many times, new times have not pervaded many popes?.. so perhaps this opportunity wont be the last...
brianbibbly said at 12:28 PM 03-13-2002: Man, I put together the wickedest chiasmus/litote combo in Street Fighter II once. That dude Blanka didn't know what hit him!
Pope John Paul II [ url ] said at 11:18 AM 03-13-2002: I want to make it clear that your constitution allows you freedom of religion, not freedom from religion.
Pope John Paul II [ url ] said at 11:23 AM 03-13-2002: The Jesuits were formed to fight the secularizing effects of the reformation with the Spanish Inquisition. Perhaps we need them to form an American Inquisition to fight the War of Secularization being fought against Catholic Priests in America's court rooms.
Mike Tancey said at 10:52 AM 04-25-2002: Hey, what's the problem with Jesuits? Did you flunk out of Loyola or something similar?? There probably are pedophiles that are Jesuit, so what?? That is hate-speak you booger....
kiche [email] said at 11:24 PM 10-06-2002: hahahahaha!!! so suggesting that the jesuits purge themselves of pedophiles is hate-speech?
even after ALL the people they've killed for not being strict catholics, they can't purge themselves of pedophiles? and suggesting that they should do so is hate-speech?
reading your response makes me wonder if the famed intellectual rigors of the jesuit academic system are failing in our modern age.
perhaps they've just taken a page from fundamentallist xtians.
keep the herd as ignorant as possible, and they'll believe anything you say.
brandon said at 1:25 AM 10-07-2002: Of course it's hate speech, dumbass of 5 months ago. The ecclesiatical ranks of the Catholic Church are hypocrites, in the same way that as citzens of the United States we participate through our ignorance and our apathy in the evils that our country perpetuates around the world. Every priest, nun, pope, theologian, lay person, and cardinal has become a willing enabler of pedophilia by not saying something. Instead they are cowed by their ranks and hierarchical authority, and say whatever it is they do say secreted away in meetings from which they emerged with the shameful, stamped on my memory for the rest of my life statement of: "first piece of child ass is on us, after that you lose your benefits, you naughty kiddymongerers"
Fuck you for even suggesting that the church has some sort of excuse, some sort of rationality behind this abrogation of responsibility and human rights disaster. You would do well to remember that in the late 1900's, White America was lynching people and funding fraudulent expeditions in order to quell the so-called white slave trade, whereas these children who were served up to these monsters, who were ferried around and molested with clear knowledge of their activities on the part of their superiors have elicited no such hysteria and mob action.
However, people are voting with their feet, leaving the ranks.
Of course, I'm writing everything I write as the purist sort of Catholic that there can be, a dissenter.
So sure, practice the art of forgiveness, for your annoited pastors. I have no plans for forgiveness until the structure and the cronyism that allowed this in the first place is demolished. And given the lack of ANY such activity save the ephemeral, lukewarm statements listed above, and the superficial lawsuits against Cardinal law, I see no time in the near future when the Church might materially deserve the forgiveness it so desperately needs.
milky [email] said at 6:14 AM 10-07-2002: I think it's just more of a commentary on how a lot of us, me included, sound so REDUNDANT as of late. Not everyone, just a lot of us.
