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 | amanda [email] said at 7:09 AM 08-14-2007:
Albums:
Call Me Lightning - Soft Skeletons
From Monument To Masses - The Impossible Leap In One Hundred Steps
Uzeda - Different Section Wires
Songs:
Archers Of Loaf - "Tatyana"
Talking Heads - "Psycho Killer"
The Bitter Tears - "Murdered In The Bar"
I guess that I'm on a beating/murder kick with my songs. |
 | reggie [email] said at 8:11 AM 08-14-2007:
Still don't really get the last fm thing so I'll just do what the lovely Amanda did, make a durn list.
Oneida "Happy New Year"
Common "Finding Forever"
Pharoahe Monch "Desire"
Jonny Greenwood "Bodysongs"
Liars "Liars"
Richmond Fontaine "The Fitzgerald"
Interpol "Our Love to Admire"
Panda Bear "Person Pitch"
Bruce Springsteen w/Seeger Sessions band "Live in Dublin"
Omar Rodriguez Lopez "Se Dice Bisonte, No Bufalo"
and finally
Big L "The Big Picture" |
 | josh [email] said at 8:39 AM 08-14-2007:
its a plugin you install in your music player(s) and it keeps track of what you listen to. |
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| josh [email] said at 5:48 PM 08-14-2007:
so you can see what you listen to? track trends in your music habits over time, see what your friends are listening to lately, recommends similar artists, shows you news and info about artists you play alot, etc. it also builds a "radio station" out of music it thinks you will like, but i dont use that much.
its pretty sweet that you can go back and look at your weekly charts for any time since you started using the service... see what you were into then. mine probably hasnt changed that much, but i bet kids that use it have really wild changes over time, as they get in and out of different music phases. |
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| reggie [email] said at 6:26 PM 08-14-2007:
so you can see what you listen to
But I know what I've been listening to 'cuz I'm the one listening to it.
its pretty sweet that you can go back and look at your weekly charts for any time since you started using the service
I know what you mean, I've recently stopped flushing the toilet after taking dumps so that I can keep track of my eating habits. Okay, that's not nice but I couldn't resist.
shows you news and info about artists you play alot
Largely useless, I just read Pitchfork, Brooklynvegan, etc.
Nice little tutorial but being that I still often listen to actual CD's, it's largely useless (for me.) |
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| josh [email] said at 8:33 PM 08-14-2007:
it tracks CDs as well. even radio, if you are playing digital radio that has song info.
But I know what I've been listening to 'cuz I'm the one listening to it.
and while you might know what you are listening to day, its easy to not know overall... i find it cool to realize that in the last 3 years i listen to nico more than ghostface overall -who knew- and that in jan 2005 i mostly listened to doom metal vs jan 2006 it was mostly Muggs/GZA and ghostface and johnny cash. that fact will be even more interesting, probably, in a decade or so, when all memory of what music i used to like the most is lost in time like tears in rain.
another interesting thing i forgot to mention is the site lets you track how many plays an artist, album, or track is getting globally among users of the service. so you can get a relatively real time indication of how popular an artist is, or even a song. millions of people use the service, so you can get a pretty good picture of an artist's popularity, or the "heat" on a new track- they also display cool things like what tracks jumped up to most this day - and this is all based on pure statistics, so its not based on PR or whatnot, purely based on how many individuals listened to track or artist.
I know what you mean, I've recently stopped flushing the toilet after taking dumps so that I can keep track of my eating habits. Okay, that's not nice but I couldn't resist.
not only is it not nice, its a terrible analogy, since you dont have to inconvience yourself at all to have the charts build up - they do so automatically, all you have to do is add the plugin to your various players once. if you then never want to look at the charts, you dont have to. but then if you DO want to look, in the far flung future, they are all there for ya.
Largely useless, I just read Pitchfork, Brooklynvegan, etc.
not everyone likes hip artists that are publicised on those big sites... and some people like having content aggregated for them. also those sites wont list a concert listing of all the upcoming shows by artists you like, thats specific to your area. well brooklynvegan might, if you happen to live in NYC.
other things that are cool:
the charts it builds like i posted above - you can add that to your myspace, etc, and it changes every week to show what you are listening to. not a huge deal but cool if you are trying to meet people that like music you like.
also there are journals, groups and blogs etc... like any other site has, but music or even artist oriented.
one other cool feature of their events calendar is that it can show you flickr phorosets of different people who took pictures at an event. so like, if you went and looked at say "virgin fest" event in the calendar you could theoretically see photos from lots of different flickr users that were there and shooting. pretty new feature i think, but hopefully it will get sweet. |
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| reggie [email] said at 11:54 PM 08-14-2007:
in a decade or so, when all memory of what music i used to like the most is lost in time like tears in rain.
Brilliant, that's gonna end up in the quotes!
...also those sites won't list a concert listing of all the upcoming shows by artists you like
Yeah so that's actually not true at all.
well brooklynvegan might, if you happen to live in NYC.
Uh yeah guess who's wrong again.
and while you might know what you are listening to day, its easy to not know overall...
Again, that's not exactly true (in my own personal case, I can't speak for anyone else) because the music I listen to tends to serve a very specific purpose.
i find it cool to realize that in the last 3 years i listen to nico more than ghostface overall -who knew-
And I say so what? I mean, what do you take out of that? What's the context? Is there a reason you listened to more doom metal? Is there a reason you listened to more Cash in '06? To me, this data seems irrelevant without any context. Also, the music I listen to tends to serve a very specific purpose (writing, working, emotional, inspirational, whatever) so it serves that purpose whether I listen to it now or five years ago. OutKast serves the same purpose for me now as they did years ago, even if I don't listen to OutKast as much now as I did then. |
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| josh [email] said at 8:12 AM 08-15-2007:
...also those sites won't list a concert listing of all the upcoming shows by artists you like
Yeah so that's actually not true at all.
Uh yeah guess who's wrong again.
hmm, i looked, but neither of those pages is a listing of all the upcoming shows by artists you listen to, in one convienent to skim page, specifically tailored to your area.
no, instead they are posts of the whole tour lists of two particular artists.... so really it has nothing to do with what i said? |
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| josh [email] said at 8:17 AM 08-15-2007:
in case its still not clear, the last.fm concert page shows you upcoming shows, in your area, by artists you listen to alot, all on one page. it also shows the shows on the artist pages. |
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| reggie [email] said at 8:44 AM 08-15-2007:
Well, I think this is a product of miscommunication:
I was referring specifically to two artists that I listed in my list of stuff I'm listening to. You, on the other hand, were referring to everything you listen to.
Since I was talking about that specific list, I pointed out two examples of artists in that specific list. You, however, were talking about a broader scale. So based on the way that I interpreted your statement, yes it does have to do with what you said.
Also though, is this information that's provided (re: news, shows) just handed to you or do you have to click on something to find it? How is it presented to you? What I mean is, I pretty much check P-fork before I even check Killoggs every day. So it's rare that news regarding artists I care about tends slips by. Don't forget though that I work in the dying and useless music retail industry so it kinda helps me to be up on what people are gonna be looking for (but I mean good stuff not the crap that's on the radio.)
But it's really not that hard to find out stuff you want to know about your favorite artists. Like I know that OutKast is working on new material that may turn out to be another split double album like Speakerboxxx or may not. I read this like months ago but since I have a brain, I retained the information. I also know that coming up at the 9:30 Club several artists I like are playing back to back shows in September: the National, Kings of Leon and Rilo Kiley. I also know that there are upcoming dates for Iron & Wine, Animal Collective and the Shins are playing at Merriweather in October.
I didn't just Google all of that, I remembered it because I read it. On Pitchfork and/or Brooklyn Vegan. I mean really, it's not that hard to find out stuff you want to know. Is this not the "information age?" |
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| josh [email] said at 9:15 AM 08-15-2007:
1. not everyone likes the artists or music that are covered by popular sites like pitchfork or brooklyn vegan.
2. not everyone has time or the inclination to read those sites. i only really look at killoggs, bco, and google news (and my email) during the average work day. plus 95% of what is covered on pitchfork or BV is music i dont care about, so i rarely check those sites for that reason as well.
3. i think its very convienent to look at a single list of all the shows coming to baltimore i might like, at all venues, this is much simpler than having to look at a few different websites every day, combing for show announcements. |
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| josh [email] said at 9:19 AM 08-15-2007:
also i just looked at brooklyn vegan and almost every post on the front page is like "so and so playing tonight in NYC" or "pictures from this show last night in NYC"... i dont care what shows are happening in NYC unless it happens to be a weekend i am in new york |
 | kara [email] said at 9:33 AM 08-15-2007:
1. Reggie does
2. Reggie does
3. I see him posting about shows on myspace so he must find out about them somehow |
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| josh [email] said at 10:52 AM 08-15-2007:
yeah but reggie is basically saying "last.fm is pointless because reggie reads pitchfork and reggie likes artists on pitchfork"... i dont read those sites. im sure a lot of people dont. just because last.fm is possibly not for reggie doesn't mean its pointless for other people. |
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| reggie [email] said at 10:52 PM 08-15-2007:
just because last.fm is possibly not for reggie doesn't mean its pointless for other people.
Well finally we agree on something. I guess in a roudabout and annoying kinda way that's all I've been saying. You may like LastFM but all I was saying is that I don't really find a single one of those features useful for me.
Also, I have a folder that has nothing but websites of bands that I like. PLUS most bands I like I've added on MySpace so when they have news, I tend to get it from that.
Basically my response to LastFM as it pertains to me is...yawn. |
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| josh [email] said at 11:12 PM 08-15-2007:
the thing is i never said they would be useful to you. i said why _I_ use it. and you rebuffed all the reasons why i like it, as if you were trying to convince me not to like it... so i responded. i dont think thats a weird response. |
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| reggie [email] said at 11:37 PM 08-15-2007:
Well I wasn't trying to convince you of anything. If it SEEMED that way then I guess I worded it wrong and my bad. I basically don't think it's anything that is of use to me.
I get Roger Ebert's Chicago Sun-Times newsletter but I rarely read it because I check his site regularly. It's a useless feature but I just never bothered to cancel it.
I also get regular updates from the 9:30 Club, Live Nation, Ticketmaster, R5 Productions (basically any service that I've bought tickets from in the past) and find out about upcoming shows and stuff from those IN ADDITION to Snitchfork...and Brooklyn Carnivore (where if you look right now you'll see all the national tourdates for Rogue Wave, Los Campesinos, the Apples in Stereo, the Shout Out Louds, Holly Golightly, the Shins, Chemical Brothers and Ted Leo.)
Now whether or not you care about any of these acts is beside the point. The point is they don't just say "these acts are playing in New York on these dates" they say "here is the entire tour schedule for these acts." Now why would people in Brooklyn care about Holly Golightly playing at DC9 in October? They don't. Nevertheless the information is there for ANYBODY who's interested.
There's also a post about Danzig. Freaking DANZIG!!! There's nothing hipster about Danzig. |
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| josh [email] said at 11:09 AM 08-16-2007:
see this is a perfect example of why i cant be bothered to read these sites - i dont care about a single one of those artists. why would i slog through a bunch of tour listings for dozens of artists i dont like to find maybe one tour listing i do car about? especially when i will probably see a tour announcement either on last.fm, myspace, or on a poster at the venue anyway?
im sure pitchfork is fine for you since you probably like those artists you mention and are interested in their tours. |
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| reggie [email] said at 8:45 AM 08-16-2007:
Crap I'm gonna be late for work but I just caught you.
First you said this:
the thing is i never said they would be useful to you. i said why _I_ use it.
Then later on you said this:
....and i dont care about news stories about them
Which is it dude? |
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| josh [email] said at 11:06 AM 08-16-2007:
how is this a catch? a (minor compared to the main function) thing i like about last fm is i can get one page that shows me when the bands i like are playing in baltimore, and it also manages to do well at showing me when they have a new album out. other than that, im not interested in news about an artist really... the one exception would be if it's news that was "DMX pretending to be an FBI agent at an airport"-level news, but that kind of stuff makes it to google news so i dont need to rely on a music specific site for that. |
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| reggie [email] said at 10:55 PM 08-15-2007:
Artists who Pitchfork has reported on and/or reviewed in the past: Camron, the Clipse, Kanye West, Dan Deacon, Justice, Ghostface, Mobb Deep, Nas, Pig Destroyer. |
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| reggie [email] said at 11:16 PM 08-15-2007:
In fact, they pretty much reported on every single twist and turn of the Clipse's battle with Jive. Maybe more than any other mainstream music news site. Also your tastes jibe with P-fork a lot more than you realize. You're a big Ghostface fan, they are big Ghostface fans. You're a big Camron fan, they're big Cam'ron fans. You're a big Clipse fan, they are big Clipse fans.
I don't even like either Clipse or Camron, I think both are overrated. Pitchfork ripped the new Interpol album, I love it. Pitchfork raved about the band the Knife, I hated them.
Do me a favor, that band I have on my list Richmond Fontaine? Go to Pitchfork and do a search for them and tell me what you find. |
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| josh [email] said at 2:05 AM 08-16-2007:
the thing is, i dont care about clipse's battle with jive. i have no real idea what it was, even... re: clipse, i care about two things:
1. are they playing in baltimore soon?
2. is a new album available for download now?
thats pretty much the same for almost all artists i like. i know you care about the intricacies of this stuff, i dont really. |
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| reggie [email] said at 8:34 AM 08-16-2007:
I kinda find this hard to swallow*, but whatever. But being that the Clipse's battle with Jive DIRECTLY AFFECTED WHEN THEIR LAST ALBUM WAS RELEASED and therefore, when their music became available to the music consuming public I thought that was a story you may have been aware of. All Hip-Hop covered it pretty well too.
(*all I meant by that was that I know you're a wealth of useless tidbits of information regarding just about everything. This was meant as a compliment 'cuz you've always struck me as a pretty pop culture savvy person.) |
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| josh [email] said at 11:11 AM 08-16-2007:
i didnt like clipse until this new album so i didnt know that their troubles would have affected me. i went back and downloaded their other albums and i dont like them as much. they are ok. |
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| josh [email] said at 11:24 PM 08-15-2007:
when i looked at brooklyn vegan this morning i saw, i think, 1 link on the whole front page i was mildly interested in. but i cant remember what it was. im sure tomorrow, the front page will be all new articles, and probably again only 1 will be of mild interest... not worth checking it daily for that ratio of content i care about. im sure pitchfork is similar....
actually, let me look at the front page of pitchfork to check... the only thing i would consider clicking on was the iggy pop interview. so one thing. again not worth looking at this site daily for one thing i might be interested in. im sure you are interested in many more of these artists... but im not. and even ones i do like, most of this "news" isnt of real interest to me. take the two top stories: i dont really care that there isnt gonna be a new radiohead album in 2007, is that news? and the new pj harvey album street date doesn't matter to me, either since i dont work in a record store. if the album is good, im sure it will be leaked before then anyway.
now, again, i can see why someone who wants to open a record store and works in a record store would be interested in a broad overview of "what's happening in the music industry" but thats not really me. |
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| reggie [email] said at 12:07 AM 08-16-2007:
Okay but if you just go to the search function and type "Clipse" you'll get FOUR PAGES of news links.
Type "Cam'ron" you'll see their 8.7 rating for Purple Haze as well as two pages worth of news links.
A search for "Justice" gets you three pages of news/reviews (including their 8.4 rating of their album.)
"Jesus and Mary Chain" gets you two pages of news/reviews.
"Johnny Cash" gets you two pages.
"Ghostface" FIVE pages.
Even searching for "Mobb Deep" gets you some hits.
The only things on your list that didn't come up with news on were the Soup Dragons and Slant 6. That's it.
So according to your own list (or stuff I know you like) you do listen to artists that Pitchfork reports regularly on.
Meanwhile from my own list: Big L comes up with nothing. Richmond Fontaine comes up with nothing.
They've got a couple of reviews for Chromeo (a group you've photographed.)
Three pages of stuff on Dan Deacon. Some stuff on Spankrock AND a feature on the mother effing WHARTSCAPE MUSIC FESTIVAL!!! Yeah, you have NO connection to that at all do you? |
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| josh [email] said at 2:12 AM 08-16-2007:
yeah but i dont need to read reviews of artists i know i already like, and i dont care about news stories about them (i like camron's hits but i really dont care too much what hijinx he is up to), unless the news story is "they are playing in baltimore this month" or "their new album just leaked"... this is why i dont read pitchfork or any music sites.
reviews dont matter to me because reviews basically exist so you can see if you think an album is worth paying for... since i dont pay for albums, i dont really feel the need to read reviews.
now movies, since i like to see them in the theater, i will read reviews on.
and yes, i know that a talented, well written review is more than just a purchasing guide... but there arent that many music writers i like enough to seek out their reviews just for their insights. im sure they exist, i just dont know about them. |
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| josh [email] said at 2:16 AM 08-16-2007:
also, from my perspective, this thread has changed from you trying to convince me that last.fm is useless, to you trying to convince me i should read pitchfork. |
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| reggie [email] said at 8:15 AM 08-16-2007:
I AM NOT TRYING TO CONVINCE YOU OF ANYTHING. I don't care if you read Pitchfork, Rolling Stone or freaking Vogue.
All that I am saying now is that you think they don't cover stuff you like and I'm saying they do. Whether or not you read it has no effect on my life at all. Just like whether or not I decide to use Last FM has nothing to do with your life. |
 | ed [email] said at 9:43 AM 08-16-2007:
Hey, what's wrong with reading Vogue?
Just, you know... hypothetically. |
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| reggie [email] said at 6:21 PM 08-16-2007:
Well I mean it's no Cosmo but if you absolutely MUST read something... |
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| josh [email] said at 11:29 AM 08-16-2007:
im sure they cover stuff i like, just not enough for me to bother reading it on a regular basis. and since i dont read it on a regular basis, i will never see and memorize all of these concert listing posts for my favorite artists that you say are on there. so i like being able to get baltimore concert listings for the next month all on one screen.
like i said, when i went to those sites, each one had 1 thing on the front page i was mildly interested in. thats been my experience before as well, seeing those sites... im sure you found most of the info on there of interest, but i dont. i only look at like 4 web sites regularly and one is killoggs!
i dont understand why this is so contentious. |
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| reggie [email] said at 5:51 PM 08-16-2007:
I think it was the "hip artists" line above that kinda bugged me. Does it happen that I like most of the artists covered on Witchfork? Yes. But I mainly like that the news section is updated throughout the day when most music news sites update once a day.
But the "hip artists" line bugged the crap out of me 'cuz I know for a fact that they rave about some of the same artists that are ON YOUR LIST or that I know you've raved about in the past.
If you don't read it, I couldn't care less. Again, I guess I wasn't too keen on the tone of the "hip artists" comment. |
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| josh [email] said at 9:02 AM 08-17-2007:
the thing is though, not everyone likes the hip artists i like, either. if someone is a big jazz fan, and thats all they listen to, would pitchfork be a useful site for them? probably not. but last.fm (or other services like it) WOULD still be useful. that was the point i was making. |
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| reggie [email] said at 8:36 AM 08-16-2007:
and yes, i know that a talented, well written review is more than just a purchasing guide...
You're right it is more than just a purchasing guide. It's also a chance to see what direction your favorite artists are taking with their music. So that doesn't matter if you're buying albums or --gag-- downloading singles.
and i dont care about news stories about them (i like camron's hits but i really dont care too much what hijinx he is up to)
Oh my jeebus. Did you not say the following statement as a pro-LastFM attribute:
shows you news and info about artists you play alot, etc.
All that I was doing was pointing out that the "news and info" that YOU, Josh, felt the need to mention as a "cool feature" was not a function that mattered TO ME because I have other sources that have served me well over the past few years.
Also, what about Whartscape? THEY DID A FEATURE ABOUT THE EXACT SAME EVENT THAT YOU ATTENDE that I didn't know existed or at least being the Baltimore newbie that I am, couldn't discern from Artscape. |
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| ed [email] said at 9:44 AM 08-16-2007:
Reggie is the new Rick. Only with more attitude!
Woohoo! |
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| reggie [email] said at 5:40 PM 08-16-2007:
(It's all for show) |
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| josh [email] said at 11:12 AM 08-16-2007:
im not downloading singles - im downloading whole albums! ;) |
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| josh [email] said at 11:24 AM 08-16-2007:
Oh my jeebus. Did you not say the following statement as a pro-LastFM attribute:
shows you news and info about artists you play alot, etc.
huh? that was when you asked why people use last.fm and i was explaining to you what lastfm was and listed all the features i could remember that it had, even ones i dont use like the "radio station". i wasnt trying to get you to use it, it was explaining what it was because it sounded like you didnt know. i didnt really start explaining why _I_ like last.fm until you dismissed my neutral explanation of what the service does (and my core favorite feature that i use every day) with your toilet analogy...
as far as i go, i dont really use that feature. more than the radio station, far less than the charts or the event listings.
Also, what about Whartscape? THEY DID A FEATURE ABOUT THE EXACT SAME EVENT THAT YOU ATTENDE that I didn't know existed or at least being the Baltimore newbie that I am, couldn't discern from Artscape.
i dont know what you are getting at here? i think its cool that baltimore is getting press, but i pre-ordered my tickets to whartscape, i definitely knew about it happening, i didnt need to read about it on some national web site... its cool they covered it though. ups to baltimore!
im sure pitchfork is a fine site but i dont understand why you are going on and on about it. |
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| reggie [email] said at 6:20 PM 08-16-2007:
i think its cool that baltimore is getting press, but i pre-ordered my tickets to whartscape
That has nothing to do with anything. They covered it, past tense. As in, it happened and then they reported on it.
The point is (for the one gazillionth time) that A)Pitchfork isn't as "hip" as you're giving it credit for and B)you aren't as out of the "hip" loop as you claim to be.
And what ANY of this has to do with Last FM I have absolutely zero idea. |
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| josh [email] said at 9:03 AM 08-17-2007:
i dont even understand why you are going on and on about pitchfork, much less what it has to do with last.fm |
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| reggie [email] said at 11:23 AM 08-17-2007:
Well as I look back at this thing. I stated that lastfm seemed pretty useless (to me.)
You listed some other features of lastfm including the news/info bit.
I said I get all the information I need regarding news/info from other sources.
Then you said that those sites may be good for artists that I like but not ones that you like.
Then I said that they do cover artist that you like. As an example I went through the artists on your list and looked them up, just as a test and found all kinds of crazy info.
Then even after mentioning how getting news and info on lastfm was one of its "cool features" you turned around and said that you don't care about news and info.
After all this we determined two things:
1) you don't have that much of a need for Pitchfork (even if they do cover things I know you like)
2) I don't have much of a need for last.fm (even if there may be a feature or two that I MIGHT like if I didn't have alternatives...except for the list thing.)
I think that about sums it up.
Oh one more thing, the reason I like to know about tour dates that aren't just in just my area is that depending on the artist I'm always willing to go anywhere between PA and VA to see a band and/or see that band more than once. So I would like to know other tourdates (also if there are conflicting dates between bands I like then I'd like alternative options.) |
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| reggie [email] said at 12:02 PM 08-17-2007:
For the record, I felt I should point out the following:
"Hip" artists mentioned on P-fork's news headlines right now include: Lily Allen, the Beastie Boys, the Hives, Bruce Springsteen, Beck, Radiohead and little ways down a R.I.P. notice about Max Roach.
I'm not saying that you personally are a fan of any of these people, I'm just saying that these are all pretty mainstream names.
That's it, I'm finished now. |
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| josh [email] said at 1:33 PM 08-17-2007:
yeah i am not willing to travel to see a show.
and again, when i listed the news and info line, it was in my response to your question of "why" do people use last.fm.
and in general, i dont think pitchfork really does cover enough artists i like to look at it regularly... i mean, like i said, the front page (which i think is basically new almost every day, right?) had 1 link i was mildly interested in out of like 45-60 links about artists i dont care about. not a very good ratio in terms of getting me to want to come back.
now, if they could have their front page adapt itself to only show artists i like... |
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| ed [email] said at 1:46 PM 08-17-2007:
yeah i am not willing to travel to see a show.
Spoken like a true elitist "center of the universe" bastard.
Dude, try living a million miles from any venue any "normal" touring group would play.
My favorite concerts of all time have consisted of road trips of five hours or more just to get there. My all-time fave involved 17 hours on the road. One way.
Best show ever.
I spent the entire concert five feet away from my all-time bass-guitar hero, rocking my farkin' brains out. And after it was done, I drove 5 hours back to my waypoint. Through unlit mountain roads, and hallucinations of incredibly massive waves of frogs coming at me. That was induced by sleep deprivation, not chemicals, by the way.
Good times. |
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| josh [email] said at 3:09 PM 08-17-2007:
sounds like you need to move to a real place |
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| reggie [email] said at 9:56 AM 08-18-2007:
That's it, I'm finished now. |
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| josh [email] said at 8:14 AM 08-15-2007:
To me, this data seems irrelevant without any context. Also, the music I listen to tends to serve a very specific purpose (writing, working, emotional, inspirational, whatever) so it serves that purpose whether I listen to it now or five years ago. OutKast serves the same purpose for me now as they did years ago, even if I don't listen to OutKast as much now as I did then.
thats the part that stimulates your memory. when i looked at that chart and remember that winter, and what i was listening to, it spurred me to fire up that khanate and burning witch album that i rocked so heavily then and kinda think about where i was then and now, the difference in my mental state, etc. |
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| reggie [email] said at 8:19 AM 08-15-2007:
Ahhhh. Well that's fine but maybe I should have said "irrelevant blah blah blah as it pertains to me." I mean I guess I just tend to mentally catalogue all that stuff pretty easily. |
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| kara [email] said at 9:33 AM 08-15-2007:
kara [email] said at 2:38 PM 08-14-2007:
for the record Reggie I find it to be very charming when dudes are scared of the internet.
If you ask privately I'll give examples.
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| kara [email] said at 9:34 AM 08-15-2007:
For the record I like last.fm.. although I wish I could make my lists private or friends only ala myspace. Still I don't see why Josh would pick an arguement to convince you it's "for you" |
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| josh [email] said at 10:48 AM 08-15-2007:
im not trying to! he was trying to convince me it was a useless site. all i did was post my charts. |
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| josh [email] said at 10:50 AM 08-15-2007:
note the progression:
reggie [email] said at 8:11 AM 08-14-2007:
Still don't really get the last fm thing
josh [email] said at 8:39 AM 08-14-2007:
its a plugin you install in your music player(s) and it keeps track of what you listen to.
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reggie [email] said at 5:01 PM 08-14-2007:
Why?
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josh [email] said at 5:48 PM 08-14-2007:
so you can see what you listen to? track trends in your music habits over time, see what your friends are listening to lately, recommends similar artists, shows you news and info about artists you play alot, etc. it also builds a "radio station" out of music it thinks you will like, but i dont use that much.
its pretty sweet that you can go back and look at your weekly charts for any time since you started using the service... see what you were into then. mine probably hasnt changed that much, but i bet kids that use it have really wild changes over time, as they get in and out of different music phases.
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reggie [email] said at 6:26 PM 08-14-2007:
"so you can see what you listen to"
But I know what I've been listening to 'cuz I'm the one listening to it.
" its pretty sweet that you can go back and look at your weekly charts for any time since you started using the service"
I know what you mean, I've recently stopped flushing the toilet after taking dumps so that I can keep track of my eating habits. Okay, that's not nice but I couldn't resist. |
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| josh [email] said at 10:59 AM 08-15-2007:
in case it's not clear from this transcript, i didn't start out any discussion with reggie, i replied to his query of what last.fm does. i didn't even start pointing out how the features could be percieved as useful to some people until he posted his reasons why the service, as i explained it, was pointless. i wouldn't have said anything, but he listed reasons why he thinks the service is useless (you already know what you are listening to so why bother keeping track, the inconvience of keeping track, the fact that you can already get any info on the site from other sites, that he thought it didnt work with CDs when it actually does, etc) and since his reasons were sort of off-base, i replied. i dont think this was a case of me being argumentative, since if he had just said "doesnt sound like my cup of tea", i wouldn't have said anything further. indeed, i don't think it is reggie's cup of tea since he seems to not be so into geeky technology stuff. |
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| kara [email] said at 11:03 AM 08-15-2007:
I didn't read any of this but I just took "i don't get the last.fm thing" to mean "I'm not interested in it." |
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| josh [email] said at 11:09 AM 08-15-2007:
he asked why people use it and i said what it did, like "this it what it does: a, b, c, d" and he responded to a, b, c, d with reasons why they were not useful... so i responded with why i thought they were not useful. thats this thread. |
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| kara [email] said at 11:17 AM 08-15-2007:
ok I guess you're right it was a useful and necessary arguement and completely quality content to killoggs.
It is your site after all. |
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| josh [email] said at 11:22 AM 08-15-2007:
im not saying it was a quality arguement, i'm saying that reggie started the arguement. its not like im trying to convince him to use last.fm, im defending why I use it against his attacks! |
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| kara [email] said at 11:30 AM 08-15-2007:
oh well nevermind then.. I guess my attempt to agree with you was also wrong.
I retract my statement and change it to agree with whatever you say. |
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| josh [email] said at 11:37 AM 08-15-2007:
as it should be |
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| reggie [email] said at 11:02 PM 08-15-2007:
OH MY GAWD!!!
First of all: it's A-R-G-U-M-E-N-T.
Second of all: my "Why?" wasn't a "Why do people use it" my response was basically "what's the point."
It still seems largely useless but I guess I'm too narrow-minded to see it from the perspective of a regular user. But I also think the fact that I still mainly listen to CD's affects how I feel about it (by the way, I tried to listen to Bowie recently but couldn't because guess what? All my Bowie songs are corrupted. Yay mp3's!)
That and I work around music all day, talk about music all day and then when I get home and online I read about music (if I'm not reading about movies, sports or occasionally politics.)
"Wow, that LastFM sounds like a really cool feature. It's probably not for me but that's all good, it's a free country." |
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| josh [email] said at 11:11 PM 08-15-2007:
i did mention it still works with CDs... also i think you must be doing something wrong, i have 250gb+ of music and have been listening to music predominantly via digital files since 1999 and have never had a corrupted file... how are you ripping your CDs/where are you downloading your music from? |
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| reggie [email] said at 11:20 PM 08-15-2007:
I just use the Jukebox thing that came with my 'puter. |
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| josh [email] said at 2:13 AM 08-16-2007:
know what its called? maybe its the problem... were the bowie mp3s ripped from CD or downloaded? did they ever work or were they fucked up when you downloaded em? |
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| reggie [email] said at 8:38 AM 08-16-2007:
Well I ripped them from Sarah's CD collection before I moved from DC. It's the Dell Jukebox by Music Match.
I need to upgrade anyway as I've been reminded the last few months but this has been going on pretty much since I've had this thing. |
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| ed [email] said at 9:57 AM 08-16-2007:
Oh, great googly moogly! MusicMatch Jukebox is one of the biggest piece of crap semi-malware bundled-with-new-PCs programs ANYWHERE.
Dude, I know it's scary, but download iTunes.
Don't get me wrong; I resisted iTunes for as long as I could - until I started getting support requests on it. (Trust me, if your boss uses iTunes, it becomes work-related.)
There are a couple of default settings you'll want to change (like changing the default to .mp3 files when ripping), but dude, iTunes will make you less resistant to the whole "digital" versus "traditional media" thing. And it'll be a lot less scary. And it'll import all the stuff you've got in MusicMatch and give you a much nicer interface, to boot.
I can't believe I just typed that, considering I'm a PeeCee guy and I abhor most things Apple, but iTunes - and yes, the iPod - are the pinnacle in their respective fields. Hands down.
If you wanna try setting up iTunes and need any help (not that you'll need any, except for the tweaking to use an open format (mp3)) let me know. |
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| kara [email] said at 2:13 PM 08-16-2007:
Itunes slows down my computer so much that songs cant even play |
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| ed [email] said at 5:57 PM 08-16-2007:
If you have even minimal (256MB) RAM, then I can pretty much assure you it's not iTunes that's slowing your computer down. There are a brazilian pre-loaded programs (if you bought it straight from a manufacturer/reseller) programs that are bogging your computer down WAY more than iTunes ever would.
And even if you had your computer custom-built, you likely have a brazilian other malware apps running, just because the average person doesn't know how to avoid them.
That's not me being techie-elite, by the way. That's me talking straight after 14+ years in the business. |
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| josh [email] said at 9:04 AM 08-17-2007:
brazilian? |
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| kara [email] said at 9:35 AM 08-17-2007:
yeah I probably do.. but they only really run when itunes is running.
i use it to manage my files although it's slow, and I use it to update my ipod.. but I cant play music in it under any circumstances so I use winamp |
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| reggie [email] said at 5:59 PM 08-16-2007:
but dude, iTunes will make you less resistant to the whole "digital" versus "traditional media" thing
I doubt that. |
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| ed [email] said at 6:16 PM 08-16-2007:
I didn't say it'd slip you a roofie.
Maybe a valium, though. |
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| reggie [email] said at 1:46 AM 08-17-2007:
Completely random and unrelated Pop Quiz:
Which is most likely to happen first?
A) Reggie accepts the Family Guy as a viable source of entertainment.
B) Reggie joyfully embraces the digital era of music.
C) Reggie votes Republican
D) Monkeys fly out of Reggie's butt. |
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| ed [email] said at 9:26 AM 08-17-2007:
I'm gonna have to go with D.
Hey, they ain't gonna climb all the way up your gastro-intestinal tract and suddenly jump outta your mouth! |
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| reggie [email] said at 11:23 AM 08-17-2007:
That was the right answer! |
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| josh [email] said at 11:30 AM 08-16-2007:
yeah music match is a huge piece of shit.
itunes or winamp are 1000x better |
 | brandonA [email] said at 2:41 PM 08-16-2007:
I took one look at music match years ago and have avoided it since. itunes REALLY sucks in one area - when your music collection is bigger than your ipod capacity. there is simply no easy way to manage what is on there, and to maintain the songs that you never want implicitly put on there (like all the 1940s Sinatra tunes that I have but am not that fond of).
I've started using mediamonkey which has some great features for mp3 players - I can tell it to fill my iPod randomly to capacity from a defined subset of my music. |
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| josh [email] said at 3:15 PM 08-16-2007:
really? i have no problems... my ipod is 60GB and my itunes library is 250GB... what problems do you encounter? |
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| ed [email] said at 6:01 PM 08-16-2007:
I hate to say this all that often, but I agree with Josh. Haha!
As long as you set iTunes up to NOT automatically synchronize with your iPod, you can have a ginormous library on your PC and still keep your iPod down to a manageable level. Currently, my PC library is around 350GB. Way bigger than my iPod could handle, if I let it try to do its own thing. |
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| brandonA [email] said at 7:35 PM 08-16-2007:
my problem is that I don't have time to manually move every single song on and off of my ipod, but I want to rotate among all of the music I have.
It's a very tedious and time consuming task to figure sift through what's not on there already. The randomize function with what I use guarantees that I don't have to worry about it. |
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| josh [email] said at 9:06 AM 08-17-2007:
itunes has that same feature though... and you can also tell it to only sync your smart playlists, too.
i just have it only sync things that are highly rated, or that i have explicitly checked as "for the ipod" whenever i added them to the library. eventually i can rate the whole library (one day when i have free time) and it will make it even easier. |
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| brandonA [email] said at 1:42 PM 08-17-2007:
I spent a long time searching iTunes and the internet to see if this was possible, and everything I found said it was not. How is it done?
Smart playlists are a fine solution, but they don't get around the capacity problem - you still always end up with the same music if the music set is larger than the iPod. |
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| josh [email] said at 3:14 PM 08-17-2007:
there is a feature that i dont use that says it can randomly fill your ipod up with music... i dunno how it works because i have never used it... because a lot of my library is stuff i only want to listen to when i am in a certain mood |
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| josh [email] said at 3:16 PM 08-17-2007:
and as far as the smart playlists go... you can tell a smart playlist itself to be random. like one that picks "150 random songs that are (requirements)" |
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| reggie [email] said at 5:59 PM 08-16-2007:
What's winamp? 'cuz I still would like to avoid iTunes. |
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| ed [email] said at 6:18 PM 08-16-2007:
Bro, you just did not seriously ask what winamp was, did you?
If you were fishing, I got the big hook in my jaw, and y'all can laugh and laugh. I won't be offended.
But you HAVE to know what winamp is. Right? |
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| reggie [email] said at 10:53 AM 08-17-2007:
I know music. I know movies. I know sports. I know politics. I know as much about computers as I do about cars. Which is to say I know to open the door, put the key in the ignition, start it, make it go from point A to point B and then stop once I get there. I know how to put gas in it, put oil in it, change the wiper fluid. Ask me what the carburetor is or does and I couldn't tell you.
That's about how computer literate I am as well. I just don't care. As in at all.
Get me online, let me check my e-mail, write my scripts, store some pics and I'm happy. Boson was surprised that I still use the AOL browser. Whatever, it serves my purposes.
You see, my life doesn't revolve around computers. I use it for the purposes listed below:
A) to get online
B) to write/store screenplays
That's it. |
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| josh [email] said at 9:08 AM 08-17-2007:
whats winamp? wow.
its the oldest music playing software... created by a group of intense hacker types, who then sold to aol but retained creative control of their division and used that creative control to release software to thumb their nose at AOL/Time Warner... for example they released a plugin for AIM that removed the ads from AIM. They also, I think, released the first Gnutella client... all funded with AOL dollars!
But yeah, Winamp is a nice basic music player. |
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| josh [email] said at 11:33 AM 08-16-2007:
from the musicmatch wiki:
Despite this Musicmatch Jukebox 10 does have some issues that will never be resolved. The most problematic is that with large libraries under certain conditions MMJB will corrupt and/or lose tagging information. The MP3 and basic tag information stays intact but the custom tag fields are lost, sometimes in large numbers and this won't be noticed until the library is reloaded from the MP3 files. A workaround is to making the whole library READ ONLY but severely hampers the excellent tagging features of this program. Another major issue is the MIM.exe process that is associated with Musicmatch. It plays havoc with any type of removable storage device such as hard drives and USB keys. Usually these devices wont stop properly with MIM.exe in memory. This problem can be addressed with 2 modifications of the registry, one that prevents mimboot (which loads mim.exe) from loading on startup and one that prevents mim.exe from staying resident after MMJB exits. With these 2 modifications, removable storage works fine as long as MMJB isn't open.
yikes |
 | brandon [email] said at 11:54 AM 08-16-2007:
under certain conditions MMJB will corrupt and/or lose tagging information.
This is exactly why I no longer use Music Match. |
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| reggie [email] said at 5:57 PM 08-16-2007:
Nice!
Now, uhh, what does all this mean in English? |
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| ed [email] said at 6:24 PM 08-16-2007:
It means MusicMatch Jukebox sucks, has always sucked, and they have specific plans to not make it stop sucking in the future.
I am ashamed, as a computer professional, that computer companies FORCE this piece-of-crap program on unsuspecting customers. Because, inevitably, it will give the end-user fits. And then they have to call in hacks like the GeekSquid (not a typo) who will charge them a couple hundred bucks to fix something that was DESIGNED to be broken from the outset.
Bitter?
Yeah, Victoria Bitter, please. Several. |
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| reggie [email] said at 7:03 PM 08-16-2007:
It has served its purpose for the most part. Well, y'know except for the whole corrupted files thing. But really the only thing I use it for is ripping CDs. My computer is basically a back up in case I lose, break or need to sell CDs.
As for iTunes, I actually do plan on getting one of those ubiquitous electronic devices with the white headphones some time soon, I guess I'd haveta use iTunes then won't I? Grrr.
But there are other programs out there aren't there? I couldn't care less about downloading stuff, just want something to hold my tunes and don't lose 'em and allow me to make mix CD's. |
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| josh [email] said at 9:09 AM 08-17-2007:
itunes is the best program for organizing music i have used... why are you against itunes? just because you dont like apple? if so, dont get an ipod since itunes is free vs the ipod costing money. |
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| reggie [email] said at 10:35 AM 08-17-2007:
Well, as I state to Ed below. Those things are cheaper now and I haven't used my Creative jonx in over a year do to something getting lost in the moving shuffle.
But yes, overall it's "Apple-thy." (I like that one Ed!) |
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| reggie [email] said at 10:37 AM 08-17-2007:
is Winamp must the Windows Media Player? I actually use that for making CD's more than I use Music Match. |
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