1. There have been baby pictures on the front page.
2. There are drawn heads that no one remembers.
3. There are question mark heads that post more than original members.
4. Brandon missed Hitler's birthday.
5. All of our arguments are the same.
6. Nobody really has the hate anymore.
7. All the cockteasing is done.
8. People post just to sell things.
9. We haven't had a new record-setting post in months. Years even.
10. Vista is out, Killoggs v3.0 still hasn't shipped.
11. When there's a flurry of interest, we shutter the doors.
12. We don't feed the trolls anymore so they all left.
13. We don't really have any beefs.
14. Voicemails and cell phone pics are still broken.
15. The journals bar is full of Brandon with a sprinkle of me.
16. The member to poster ratio is way high. Or low. I mean, there's a lot of us and not much on the page.
17. All the active blogs on the the interweb have been infected with the lolcat meme. We have no lolcats, therefore we are dead.
18. Ed and Sonny don't post.
19. We're more and more degrees away from boiling crack in a pipe squished between a meth-whore's tits everyday.
20. There was no Secret Santas last year.
21. Ben agrees.
22. Everybody's so fucking supportive.
23. Nobody's even stabbed anyone in the head in awhile.
josh [email] said at 8:01 AM 08-01-2007: also killoggs is alot more active than it used to be. it picked up again when i started posting stuff again. it had fallen off basically because ben and i stopped posting anything but the most perfunctory updates. now it's just me posting stuff, so it's not as active as it would be if ben posted also.
then there is the fact that everyone has myspace/facebook/whatever now.
then there is the fact that a few posters ran off all the nonheads.
then there is the fact that a few heads ran off alot of the heads.
jake [email] said at 1:38 AM 08-02-2007: I agree there's been an up-tick, but I think that's in the middle of a lengthier stagnation.
I think Killoggs as is has a lot to offer that myspace etc. really don't. There's a reason I put this in the category that I did.
I don't think posters ran off the non-heads; I think you changed the code in ways that did it. That's not a criticism, it was a choice you made, and some (a lot) had to do with spam.
As for heads running off heads, that is definitely true and a shame. I've tried myself to be less intrusive to the people who seemed bugged by me, but I don't know what else you're referring to...
I also think there was a weird catalyzing of community through the ladies and gentlemens clubs, which triggered a reverse effect when they went away.
josh [email] said at 9:22 AM 08-02-2007: when i say posters ran off the non-heads, i'm referring to how brandon and amanda and so forth made a concerted effort to insult certain non heads.
amanda [email] said at 3:49 AM 08-03-2007: Actually, I can only recall one person that Brandon and I vigorously attacked with a combined effort and if that incident was enough to turn people away from Killoggs, they really wouldn't have lasted for any considerable amount of time here anyway.
Apart from the other reasons already given for why Killoggs isn't the rambunctious and bustling den of activity that it once was, I think that quite a few of us feel disconnected from some of the newer members whom we may not know in real life. In simpler terms, what I mean is that somewhat of a clique has emerged revolving around D.C. and Baltimore, and threads are often a giant circle jerk involving RL friends from that region. It seems to me as though there is a trend of some of these posters only bothering to respond to entries from certain other heads, and it not only disrupts the conversational flow of responses but...oh, hell. I'm not sure how to explain it, really.
I personally feel like the same 5 people respond to anything that I post, and if I really want to say something to them I may as well just talk to them through a different channel of communication and save everyone else the hassle of scrolling through or skipping what I write.
Also, I've grown much closer to the EA forum members over the past two years and spend more of my time over there these days. They're still enormously harsh on even their most ancient members, they still have in jokes that are off-putting to new members, they torture trolls, they're fairly Chicago-centric with posts, they still have gossip and drama that would crush Killoggs' history in a split second, etc. However, something about the flow of threads and topics makes it more involved and entertaining, like Killoggs used to be.
Does Killoggs have an option to email you when there is a response to a post ("watch topic" or whatnot)? I've noticed that this feature helps me watch EA more efficiently than here, where I just reload the page every so often over the course of a day and perhaps catch something I'm interested in.
brandon [email] said at 9:29 AM 08-01-2007: ...and a lot of us moved around in the last year.
...and a lot of us started families
...and a lot of us started 'real' jobs that don't look too kindly on surfing
...and a lot of us went back to school
...and some of us got married
...and sometimes, it feels like it's just the same old arguments over and over again, not that they're not amusing or funny, or witty.
...and sometimes, 8 years on a forum just gets old.
...and sometimes, people just drift in and out of other people's lives.
...and everything that Josh said.
If you watch the parade of heads that flits through everyday, a lot of people are still reading, posting. Summer is a weird time. It's full of quiet activity, but not necessarily something you want to write home about.
brandon [email] said at 2:23 PM 08-01-2007: It's just kind of silly to be sitting here proclaiming that Killoggs is dead. When... we're all sitting here reading and responding to Killoggs. What, do you want Killoggs to make reservations for you and it at the Little Village? Do you want to go mountain biking with Killoggs? Do you want Killoggs to double your money playing the stocks? Josh has put a ton of content on lately. Really good content. People have been hunting for roommates, trading shit, asking advice, posting lists, discussing movies, posting news, etc.
And it's not like the trolls disappeared, entirely, mostly they were given heads. The really kooky ones still pop up from time to time. If you want Killoggs to be an incredibly dynamic, happening place, awesome. Please post incredibly dynamic awesome stuff. But in the past, probably 90 percent of the content on Killoggs has been generated by 20 percent of the members.
I think this ship is unsinkable. I think that Killoggs is the queen of the blogs. We have double and triple bulkheads. We have excellent buoyancy. Our flotation is remarkable.
josh [email] said at 2:33 PM 08-01-2007: i'm adding two new members later today, i dunno if that is a dead thing or a live thing... i think a live thing!
brianbibbly [email] said at 3:35 PM 08-01-2007: They will be live with question mark heads.
I don't want to be mean to Ben or anything, but, seriously, isn't it like a total freaking travisty that we have question mark heads on this site that have been members for YEARS? That's not right.
milky [email] said at 9:32 PM 08-01-2007: I don't think we have a smoking gun yet, Kiche.
That's one of them.
The other was the gravity that I was being an asshole to Brandon for no discernable reason, and what reason there was, well...moved on to living with someone different and seems completely miserable.
I was a prick to everyone.
My ex left me to do the cult thing full-time in Sydney abruptly sometime Sunday afternoon.
I think if suicide were an option, I'd actually have a cheering section of dedicated fans.
Killoggs isn't dead, though.
Somewhere, Dr. Lorraine, we lost what little lives we had.
milky [email] said at 1:09 PM 08-02-2007: Wait, let me make the 'distinction.' It is not a "cult." It is "educational technology" that is an offspring from EST (Erhard Seminar Training).
Known as "The Forum," or "Landmark Education Corporation, LLC." Spoofed on 6-Feet Deep as "The Path."
It makes no sense to anyone unwilling to shell out thousands of dollars.
kiche [email] said at 12:21 PM 08-02-2007: if by "lively" you mean "broken".
then yes. that was a "lively" post.
and while it may not be the day that killoggs technically died, it is the equivalent of a stroke that kills someone's brain and leaves the shell of their body to linger on life support machines for years, perhaps decades in a vegetable state.
jake [email] said at 1:39 PM 08-02-2007: And now we've moved on from the absurd assertions to the inane insults. Wake me up when you get to the part about how you've become a fan of Lyndon LaRouche, umkay?
which further proves that killoggs is dead. maybe your post wasn't so much an anyeurism, though, and more like in the movie 2001 where the astronaut starts cutting the computer coils that make up h.a.l.
that post was the cut of the first coil and you have been hacking away at it ever since.
your support for pelosi's bold resolution to cave to bush is pretty much the equivalent of killoggs warbley singin "daisy, daisy..." in a slowing death rattle.
julie [email] said at 12:02 AM 08-02-2007: I have a post I need to make, but I can't do Killoggs at work anymore. I still have plenty of hate, I just can't be bothered. I hate myself for responding to a Jake post.
kara [email] said at 2:48 PM 08-02-2007: anyway, I don't see how Jake should be the one to decide that Killoggs is "dead"..
his opinions are mostly retarded!
It's dead to me sort of but that's not its own fault.. it's more the fact that my internet vanity has waned, either people are less funny or my sense of humor has changes, and I am more easily annoyed by people's arguements, but not in a fun way.
jake [email] said at 5:08 PM 08-02-2007: I definitely shouldn't be the one to decide that killoggs is dead. Maybe my title should have been "Is killoggs dead?"
kaycee [email] said at 7:44 PM 08-05-2007: just to toss in my two coins.. late becaus ei can't afford internet in my house right now... becaus ei have been in summer school, grad school, and prepping to be a teacher all while unemployed... secret santa stopped because a lot of people never got thier shit... i didn't two years in a row... i'd be plad to play again, and even swet it up though, this year,, if you want...
i still heart killoggs. im just a busy grown-uppie gal right now!
max [email] said at 9:57 PM 08-06-2007: Let's do Secret Santa in a month that doesn't also contain Christmas. We're all busy then. Anyone for Secret September?
