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 brad 
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movin' on, ready or not
As some of you know, the alternative weekly paper that I work for has been sold to these guys. As part of the new order, the production department of which I'm a part is being shut down, and production will be done in Atlanta from now on. When I asked the new CEO how much longer production will remain in DC, he wouldn't give me a definite answer, but it doesn't sound like we have longer than 3 months. So I might very well be leaving DC in much less than 6 months. I still have the job at the restaurant which is going okay, and I might have an opportunity to teach ESL a few days a week, so I'm not too worried about running out of money too soon. But the sooner I can leave, the better. And instead of my original plan of saving lots of money for living expenses and looking for a job after I've moved, I think I'd like to have a job lined up first, unless I move to Baltimore where living is cheap, moving expenses will be minimal, and my money will last longer. But it's still very hard for me to commit to a new city, because I'm still trying to figure out exactly what I need out of a city. Mainly, I want to live in a city where creative people thrive and I have at least a few friends on who I can rely. These are the options I'm weighing:
Baltimore
Pro:
• It would be an easy move
• It's cheap
• Two of my best friends live there
• It welcomes quirkiness and creativity
• People are generally down-to-earth
• I'd still be near a few other major cities where I have friends
Con:
• I just can't get very excited about it. I feel like its quirky charm is overshadowed by a depressed economy and desperation, and I don't envision my two best friends staying there much longer, or anyone with high ambition for that matter, unless that person has plenty of close friends and family in the area and has already been lucky enough to find great success. I'd like my next city to be a place that really feels like home, not just another stepping stone.
San Francisco
Pro:
• It's an awesome, beautiful city with plenty to offer to people like myself.
• I've overcome the differences I had with a couple of my friends there, and I have a few other friends there too. One of them has been a close, fiercely loyal friend since high school, and it would be great to be reunited with him.
• I miss the highs I had when I lived there. I had some of the worst lows of my life living there as well, but many of the good times were very good. And most of the lows were more self-inflicted than anything else.
Con:
• It's just as expensive as DC, if not more so. It would be nice to finally live in a city where my money goes further.
• As much as I value the friendships I have here, I have considerable differences with a few of those friends - I'm just not as in tune with them as with the friends I know in this area. I've matured since living there, and I realize those differences are relatively trivial and not grounds for burning bridges, but they can be frustrating nonetheless, and I don't want to relive many of the same problems I had 5 years ago, based on these differences.
Austin
Pro:
• Several of my friends from high school live here
• It seems to have all of the positives of the south and very few of the negatives.
• I would be in reasonable driving distance from my parents and the rest of my family
• Car friendly
• It's a progressive city.
• It's very affordable.
Con:
• I haven't stayed in close touch with my friends here. I don't know where they are in their lives, I was never very close with most of them, and I don't know how supportive any of them would be.
• Austin is in the middle of nowhere.
• I haven't spent much time at all in Austin and really only know it by reputation. I would need to make a visit before deciding to move here
I have a lot to think about. [ posted by brad at 07/26/2007 01:53:11 PM ] [ trackback ]
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 | josh [email] said at 2:09 PM 07-26-2007:
for what it's worth i doubt i will be moving from baltimore in the next 3 years at least.
reggie wants to move to austin. |
 | brad [email] said at 2:33 PM 07-26-2007:
good to know.
so reggie, why austin? i thought you were moving back to dc? |
 | reggie [email] said at 12:56 AM 07-27-2007:
Austin's a year or so away (maybe sooner.) DC's in the more immediate future (not sure when) because it's the city I love, despite it's rather annoying changes. Also, I moved to DC to accomplish some things and I still ain't done 'em. I have more connections there than in any other city.
Austin comes after DC. I want to move there with a film under my belt. But why Austin? Well from your own list of pros #2, #4, #5 and #6 then add to that: behind New York and LA, Austin boasts a pretty booming film community as well as a very vibrant music scene. |
 | boson [email] said at 9:20 AM 07-27-2007:
wait you're moving back to dc?!
sorry to hear that. |
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| reggie [email] said at 5:49 PM 07-27-2007:
Eventually, was gonna tell y'all personally when I found out something more definite.
Thanks, Brad. |
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| brad [email] said at 1:49 PM 07-29-2007:
You didn't say it was a secret. |
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| reggie [email] said at 7:53 PM 07-29-2007:
No but I did say "I haven't told Boson and Joe yet." I figured that was enough... |
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| brad [email] said at 8:21 PM 07-29-2007:
No recall of that. Sorry. |
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| reggie [email] said at 8:38 PM 07-29-2007:
Eh, doesn't make any difference at this point.
(although I'm glad I didn't have anything more important to say like "I haven't told anyone else yet but I'm gay" or "I haven't told anyone else yet but I was the gunman on the grassy knoll.") |
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| josh [email] said at 9:22 PM 07-29-2007:
i thought that looked like you in the zapgruder film!!! |
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| reggie [email] said at 9:30 PM 07-29-2007:
That video is inconclusive. Or nonconclusive. One of those -conclusives! |
 | andrew [email] said at 5:47 PM 07-27-2007:
It would be cool to see the game this weekend- looks like ARod will hit his 500th homerun in Baltimore. |
 | kara [email] said at 2:17 PM 07-26-2007:
"or anyone with high ambition for that matter"
nailed it |
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| kara [email] said at 2:21 PM 07-26-2007:
in my case, I like to be near my family, and also I don't have much interest in doing big and great things.
But if you're trying to make useful contacts and find legitimately motivating people, this is probably not the place for you.
If you need a stop gap, want to save money, have isolated self-motivated aspirations, or just enjoy bumming around, this is the place for you. |
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| josh [email] said at 2:33 PM 07-26-2007:
well there are tons of amazing and creatively motivated people in baltimore... most of them are probably working at a "lower" level than people in NYC or LA in terms of resources... but look at Chris X or Jim Lucio or Joe Giordano, all of which are "doin stuff" that is pretty cool. also the wham city people too. there is cool stuff here! |
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| kara [email] said at 2:52 PM 07-26-2007:
yeah but all of those people could be doing better things elsewhere.. in Baltimore they get to be a big fish in a small pond, and the 2 out of 3 of those people have more than a few complaints about this city. |
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| kara [email] said at 2:55 PM 07-26-2007:
the 2 out of 3 of those people that I happen to be aquainted with, that is. |
 | kiche [email] said at 3:48 PM 07-26-2007:
all of those people could be doing better things elsewhere..
not necessarily.
"bigger cities" tend to be MUCH more expensive. it's hard to do cool shit when you are just trying to get by. also, the who you know not what you do factor increases exponentially.
take a walk through the galleries in chelsea for a quick demonstration of this effect. more of your time is consumed just trying to get by; while people with money form a tight social clique that it is near impossible for you to get into. that's not to say that the moneyed crowd is the only clique (though definitely the most important) but the majority of other cliques are equally vapid and based on a bunch of shallow people connecting with other people based on there insipid fashion choices.
what would those people be doing in a "bigger city"? probably just trying to make rent every month.
pick up some back issues of vice, try to imagine what sort of people can live that lifestyle while paying $1000+ rent not including utillities every month and you can see what sort of "scene" there is.
and this is coming from someone who loves nyc. |
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| kara [email] said at 3:58 PM 07-26-2007:
yes I am obviously aware of these factors. |
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| brad [email] said at 4:30 PM 07-26-2007:
the who you know not what you do factor increases exponentially
This seems especially true of NYC, which is why I won't even consider it now. |
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| kara [email] said at 6:55 PM 07-26-2007:
yeah fuck NYC |
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| josh [email] said at 4:03 PM 07-26-2007:
i have complaints too, and i agree that they would all be successful, maybe moreso elsewhere, but there are still things to get done here, and people doing things, is all i'm sayin'. |
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| kara [email] said at 4:08 PM 07-26-2007:
Yeah I'm not really trying to get into retarded debates, I'm simply sharing an angle that I have observed many people come to terms with in my 8 years of living here.
Ultimately, Brad, like anyone, has to consider the factors which motivate him best at this time in his life.
Baltimore is great if you get psyched by being a big shot amongst a scene of people who aren't necessarily that impressive.
I have enjoyed that aspect over the years.
However, I am at times aware that I could have reached my personal best in a more competitive and fast-paced environment. Being succeptible to the pitfalls of drunkenness and easy accolades have kept me here, for better or worse. |
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| josh [email] said at 4:23 PM 07-26-2007:
True, true. It also depends on what your goals are, as you say. I think Nolen and Bruce have managed to get out there on a national scale with their graphic design work while still living in Baltimore... of course, they travel ALOT too, so that might be part of how they can do that. But that is harder for people who are trying to do other things, for sure. And of course, it's quite possible Nolen and Bruce will decide to dip and live in NYC any time, also... wouldn't suprise me at all if they did that. |
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| brad [email] said at 4:41 PM 07-26-2007:
This reminds me how much the internet has changed things for creative professionals. You can be doing great work in a town where not many people care, but if you have that work posted online, available for viewing by anyone with internet access, you can still be in touch with all the right people. |
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| josh [email] said at 4:59 PM 07-26-2007:
this is the only reason i am getting published... posting my photos on flickr, band's myspaces, etc. |
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| brad [email] said at 5:03 PM 07-26-2007:
pretty awesome. i should use flickr more often. |
 | abby [email] said at 5:57 PM 07-26-2007:
what do people have to do to impress you? i think a lot of people ive met here are impressive! |
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| abby [email] said at 6:26 PM 07-26-2007:
Baltimore is great if you get psyched by being a big shot amongst a scene of people who aren't necessarily that impressive.
im not trying to get into any kindof debate either, but thats a pretty fucked-up thing to say on a forum that uh all of your friends read. |
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| kara [email] said at 6:52 PM 07-26-2007:
There are impressive people here.. thats not what I'm saying at all... I guess I'm not expressing it well, jesus sorry to bum you out.
There's just not as many people who are impressive with regards to their "projects" and stuff, its no one I know personally at all, I'm just referring in regards to certain people here who get acclaim for doing mediocre stuff.
One person in particular I mentioned in another post here in Killoggs. |
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| kara [email] said at 6:54 PM 07-26-2007:
Like.. I'm talking about the general drunken masses, the "scene".. such people exist anywhere but retards can really thrive here and have their retardation rewarded. |
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| abby [email] said at 4:58 AM 07-27-2007:
reatards can exist anywhere, yes, but its still more mean-spirited than i can stand to say that Baltimore is great if you get psyched by being a big shot amongst a scene of people who aren't necessarily that impressive.
thanks, i live the next door down! while i didnt ultimately graduate and i dont know how to drive (my two biggest problems with the city), i managed to eke out something that gives me a satisfaction oh nevermind ill just finish this tomorrow! |
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| kara [email] said at 9:17 AM 07-27-2007:
well the response had nothing to do with you!
It's about the "scene" as far as Brad would be looking for art and more importantly, employment.
I'm not talking about friends, because I have a lot of great ones.
Brad already knows us all though - the concerns for moving to a new city are primarily as far as employment and Brad does writing and graphic design if I'm not mistaken, so I was really directing my responses towards those kinds of things. |
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| abby [email] said at 12:01 PM 07-27-2007:
unnecessarily negative |
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| abby [email] said at 5:07 AM 07-27-2007:
id say take greater care in your general statements; you might upset your friends? none of the "retards" youre complaining about read killoggs, anyway. |
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| reggie [email] said at 8:39 AM 07-27-2007:
I understand what Kara means but I can't really speak about Baltimore that much yet. However, DC suffers from this exact same thing, especially within the film "community."
I mean I can think of one specific filmmaker from DC -- I will not name names here but ask me privately or in the rec room if'n ya wanna know -- who's been pushing his film like crazy has no problems letting everyone know about every single bit of positive feedback his film is getting. Now I have not seen the film but what I have seen of it makes me think it's crap. I just looks very dodgy and cheap.
Now who am I to speak being that he has directed at least one more feature length than I have? Now within the limited and still very undeveloped world of the Washington, DC film scene he's a pretty big fish. Based on what I do know and have seen of the film, I don't think it would cut the mustard in NYC, LA or even Austin.
Having been involved with the community to a small degree for the better part of this decade I can say that this is a problem shared by many DC-area filmmakers. That said, I have no qualms about attempting to add my name to that particular list.
What this has to do with Kara's comments is that I think what she's saying while there may be nothing inherently wrong with being a big fish in a small pond, it's best not to get too big for your britches if you can't realize just how small your pond is.
I think. |
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| reggie [email] said at 8:41 AM 07-27-2007:
if this reads wonky then I apologize, I hit "say it" instead of "preview." Again. |
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| kara [email] said at 9:22 AM 07-27-2007:
thank you reggie. |
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| kara [email] said at 9:13 AM 07-27-2007:
yeah I know thats exactly why I wrote it!
It was to Brad about Baltimore, not about killoggs or the people he already knows |
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| josh [email] said at 12:41 PM 07-27-2007:
yeah i didnt think you were criticizing any of your friends, just talking about areas where baltimore is lacking... and i agree it is lacking in some areas, but i think there is cool stuff also.
for me, its fine because the things i like to do can be done remotely internet style. maybe not so for brad. so you are making a legitimate point that he should be sure he has thought about, fo surrrre |
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| kara [email] said at 2:55 PM 07-27-2007:
thank you also. |
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| abby [email] said at 2:57 PM 07-27-2007:
seemed like a veiled criticism to me! whatever |
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| kara [email] said at 3:05 PM 07-27-2007:
Josh's comment?
No I don't think so... when Josh has criticisms they're usually not veiled to my knowledge but then again I can be dense. |
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| kara [email] said at 3:06 PM 07-27-2007:
unless you mean my comment, in which the case is also no.
Josh got my gist - sorry to anyone else who was looking to be offended. |
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| abby [email] said at 10:48 AM 07-27-2007:
DRUNK POSTING
:( |
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| reggie [email] said at 8:26 AM 07-27-2007:
I'm not gonna debate you Jerry. I'm not gonna sit here and debate
--Steve Buscemi, Fargo
Sorry, couldn't help it. |
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| kiche [email] said at 4:22 PM 07-26-2007:
i don't know all of the tree people you mention. but moving to a "bigger city" doesn't mean that you can necessarily become more successful or maintain your success.
it becomes prohibitively expensive, there's no down to earthness and people isolate themselves from "the man on the street" or newcomers in order to protect themselves.
for instance i doubt reptillian records would be successful in nyc. nyc is just too expensive.
most people in nyc spend their time just getting by. and lots of crap rises to the surface for no other reason than it's made by someone "in the know". |
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| kara [email] said at 4:23 PM 07-26-2007:
kara [email] said at 3:58 PM 07-26-2007:
yes I am obviously aware of these factors.
[Reply To this] [#251738] |
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| kara [email] said at 4:31 PM 07-26-2007:
to spell it out, I think the prohibitive costs of certain cities are already a known fact to anyone. I am simply offering up the flip side of the coin, particularly for Baltimore, the city I happen to have experience with. It'd be something worth comparing when visiting Austin, for example.
I didn't see "New York" anywhere in Brad's considerations posted above. |
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| kiche [email] said at 4:46 PM 07-26-2007:
i was actually pointing this out to josh. |
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| kara [email] said at 4:57 PM 07-26-2007:
yeah but josh already knows that and was agreeing with you!
except for when he said they could perhaps be more successful elsewhere, which is true! |
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| josh [email] said at 4:58 PM 07-26-2007:
"tree people"? was that a typo or did you really mean to say tree people? |
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| kara [email] said at 4:59 PM 07-26-2007:
three, doyy |
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| josh [email] said at 5:01 PM 07-26-2007:
oh, yeah. that makes more sense. |
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| brad [email] said at 5:04 PM 07-26-2007:
i wish i knew tree people. that would really get the ball rolling for me. |
 | brandon [email] said at 5:26 PM 07-26-2007:
Knowing tree people is fun.
But ents not that great. |
 | art [email] said at 7:34 PM 07-26-2007:
Wood you stop, please |
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| brandon [email] said at 9:18 PM 07-26-2007:
I would, sap I enjoy it so much. |
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| art [email] said at 2:13 PM 07-27-2007:
Please do knot continue on this line of reasoning |
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| brandon [email] said at 4:16 PM 07-27-2007:
I leaf it to you to end this exchange. |
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| art [email] said at 8:58 PM 07-27-2007:
we ought to nip this in the bud |
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| brandon [email] said at 10:41 PM 07-27-2007:
Agreed, this tendency to pun ought to be uprooted. |
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| art [email] said at 4:13 PM 07-28-2007:
I con-seed |
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| brandon [email] said at 4:19 PM 07-28-2007:
Accepted, exchanges like this often stem from boredom. |
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| art [email] said at 4:52 PM 07-28-2007:
And they diverge from their in-dendroned effect |
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| brandon [email] said at 5:07 PM 07-28-2007:
It's really hard to stomate, drawing this out as long as we have. |
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| art [email] said at 5:25 PM 07-28-2007:
once you embark upon a journey, you are never sure where you will end up |
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| brandon [email] said at 5:34 PM 07-28-2007:
It's true, if you're careful and don't pay attention, tragedy could be the first sign that things have phloem off the handle. |
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| art [email] said at 6:02 PM 07-28-2007:
I get the feeling you are stalking me |
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| brandon [email] said at 6:19 PM 07-28-2007:
Anyone who knows me understands that your accusation canopy true. |
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| brad [email] said at 2:52 PM 07-26-2007:
Saving money is certainly a concern, and Baltimore might be a fine place to live while I'm still trying to get my shit together. I definitely won't move to a city as expensive as San Francisco without having a job lined up first, one that enables me to do all the things that are important to me. |
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| kara [email] said at 2:57 PM 07-26-2007:
yeah, if you have a set idea of what you want to accomplish then you can be good to go.
If you want to really "find something", you're better off elsewhere lest you get caught up in the tail-biting circle of creativity that exists here. |
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| abby [email] said at 6:47 PM 07-26-2007:
woah dude i think im getting the gist here and its just that you dont want anyone to move to baltimore ever? if youre worried about brads massive influence over the housing market id say relax. if youre more trying to bum people out because you didnt erect a statue to yourself here, thats obviously mean-spirited. relax, brad is already clearly upset kinda! |
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| kara [email] said at 6:50 PM 07-26-2007:
is he upset?
Um ok I wasnt trying to bum anyone out, and the "erect a statue" comment seems more mean spirited than anything I said... I was stating a problem that exists!
Brad might have fun here, I thought you hate it anyway. |
 | amanda [email] said at 5:57 PM 07-26-2007:
Have you considered other, less expensive options in the Bay Area? I know that some of the locations probably aren't ideal (San Jose area, etc.), but they're still close enough to jobs and near enough to San Francisco that you could commute for non-job activities and still enjoy all of the things that the area has to offer.
What sort of job are you looking for? If you can stand the weather, you might want to look into Minneapolis or Chicago. I've heard that Toronto is also really nice, though I'm not sure what it's like finding a job there as a U.S. citizen. |
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| brad [email] said at 12:49 PM 07-27-2007:
Nah, for me it has to be all or nothing. If I move to the Bay Area, it has to be San Francisco or the East Bay. Long commutes are no fun, and I think I'd rather shoot myself than live in San Jose.
I've heard great things about both Chicago and Minneapolis, but I don't have any close friends there. |
 | myriam [email] said at 7:24 PM 07-27-2007:
Chicago has a lot of the opportunities that exist in a large city, but with lower rents so you can actually accomplish more. People are friendly and it seems to me so far like whatever your interested in, you mention it to like 2 random strangers you meet at a party, and they're totally gung-ho too (almost no matter what it is), and suddenly you have support.
It has astounded me how eager people here are to do things and to make friends. I mentioned how I was thinking of taking sewing lessons--bam, two girlfriends pop up who want to do that too. Want to go in on a CSA crop share? Bam, like 8 people are emailing me. There's all kinds of groups that organize themselves and contact you and get you excited about stuff... it's really easy to fall into a group with people.
I'd say it's worth checking out. For me it has worked out very well so far despite knowing only one person here well. I am, however, outgoing by nature, and I believe you have mentioned being a more introspective type. But still, I'd be happy at least to take you around. Linus and Jess know all the bands, I know all the book/poetry/art related stuff, and Meredith knows all the theatre. There's stuff going on ALL the time, for FREE--this is an amazingly easy city to be broke in. It astounds me and makes me wish I had been here when I was broke instead of stupid Boston. It is very similar to Paris. Today I went to a book fair at the Newberry library, tomorrow is 3 free street festivals, multiple free outdoor movies, a free venetian boat parade and fireworks, and this weird free speech/soapbox/public debate-off thingy that promises to be fascinating. That's one Saturday alone. I actually get somewhat overwhelmed by how active and creative and productive people are around here.
Ok, off my own soapbox. Just want to encourage you that it's worth a visit and a look. I do understand the importance of having friends in a city, however.
Although just to be devil's advocate sometimes it's great moving somewhere where you don't know that many people because it really encourages you to get out there and do stuff and discover yourself in a way. That does take a lot of energy though. |
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| brad [email] said at 1:44 PM 07-29-2007:
I've pretty much decided on Baltimore, just because that seems to be the most practical move for me now. But I definitely want to visit Chicago when I have the chance - I have for a good while now - and I'll definitely be in touch when I make that decision. |
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| abby [email] said at 6:48 PM 07-26-2007:
austin seems cool, you know how to drive, and look good in jeans! |
 | milky [email] said at 10:51 PM 07-26-2007:
You seem suited for Austin, Brad. |
 | woody [email] said at 12:42 AM 07-27-2007:
Tons tons tons of work in Alberta. Costs are going up, but it's nothing like the big US metros. Wages for every job are also very high. Nobody earns less than about double the minimum wage, even at McD's. If you have any technical skills or would do some manual labor, I'm sure you could work for 1 year and have your nest egg ready for SF or wherever. Just a thought. |
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| josh [email] said at 1:32 AM 07-27-2007:
i think he meant a non third world city |
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| art [email] said at 9:47 AM 07-27-2007:
Alberta's not a city, it's a country. Like Botswana, only poorer |
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| josh [email] said at 12:37 PM 07-27-2007:
you live in a third world country |
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| kara [email] said at 9:24 AM 07-27-2007:
Anyway bottom line, I happen to love Baltimore but a lot of friends I know including people who I've convinced to move here, later end up hating it, so I was just offering the opposing view since I think you are already familiar with the things I like, and Josh would be sure to back those things up already. |
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| boson [email] said at 9:30 AM 07-27-2007:
Hmm I don't hate baltimore (not that I'm one of the people you convinced... I think I moved here 2 years after you came up) and I'm still quitely trying to do my thing here and make something of myself before heading to a bigger pond, so to speak.
I dunno, I can see where kara's coming from regarding the creative pool in baltimore. Its there, but its not necessary for everyone. Every 4 years or so something else becomes hot shit.
I'm not sure what you're trying to do brad? |
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| kara [email] said at 9:57 AM 07-27-2007:
yeah you and me been round. Yay Bmore.
I think Brad does design and I know it can be a crummy market for that... I used to work at a company in that industry plus I watch all the students graduate here and get jobs elsewhere.
There's a few good companies to get in though. |
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| brad [email] said at 12:40 PM 07-27-2007:
Just to clarify and explain a few things:
I don't hate Baltimore. It definitely grows on me the more I visit. And really, the more I think about it, I think it would be good for me right now, since I don't have a clear idea of what I want to do. I'm a graphic designer, and I'd like to continue to grow as a graphic designer. Graphic design is very broad, and I still haven't found my niche, and Baltimore doesn't seem to have such a great demand for graphic designers, but I know this is something that I'd be much happier doing if I was in business for myself, anyway. There are other things I'd like to get back into: photography, painting, and maybe a few other things I just haven't had the budget for with my job at the paper - this is part of the reason I took a second job. I really just want to live a full, comfortable, happy life, but I'm still figuring out what that requires for me. I love San Francisco, and I think I'd like to return some day, but the more I think about living there, the more I feel like I'm not ready for it yet. But if I happen to get a great job offer to work out there, then I'll certainly consider it. I just don't want to be there if survival is an issue, and I feel isolated from the kinds of people who really stimulate me. |
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| boson [email] said at 1:16 PM 07-27-2007:
there's almost nothing to do in the graphic design field here. However, if you're ambitious enough, I can totally see living here and finding work in nyc or philly. everything is over the internet these days anyways. |
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| brad [email] said at 1:18 PM 07-27-2007:
exactly |
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| reggie [email] said at 5:46 PM 07-27-2007:
That's what's awesome about that field. You could live in Antarctica if you want and still be able to do what you do. |
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| art [email] said at 1:27 PM 07-27-2007:
Go to Austin |
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| myriam [email] said at 7:30 PM 07-27-2007:
On a completely side note, do you happen to know if the production for the Chicago Reader will also be done in Atlanta? I'm really bumming about this acquisition--both of those papers are great papers!!! SUCKS that they are being bought by some douchebag marketing company.
If the Chicago Reader stays in production here, there could be opportunities to transition into a job there if you wanted something lined up. There are also a few other alt papers here that have good circulation, plus of course the regular two papers. |
 | carla [email] said at 11:35 PM 07-27-2007:
Not to dissuade you from SF because I and many other people would love to have you here...but damn, it's hard to save money here. It's a problem I face all the time....then again, I'm not the most money saavy.
Anyway...good luck in whatever you decide! |
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| boson [email] said at 1:01 AM 07-28-2007:
I really should try and make adobe connections on all those stupidconventions I go to. |
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