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josh
overheard yesterday:

abby and i are walking to the H & H, and there is a man walking towards us, talking on the phone. suddenly, he yells...

man: BITCH you think you can talk to ME like that? Why? Just cause you got a big dick?!

(short pause)

man: FUCK YOU N----, there's TEN THOUSAND motherfuckers bigger than you in this city!

(we keep walking, he keeps yelling)


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katie [email] said at 8:21 PM 09-24-2006:
i'm not starting anything, but what's up with not writing out the word 'nigger'?
i mean, bitch and fuck are in all caps.
    marcia [email] said at 8:55 PM 09-24-2006:
    that's a really good point.
    josh [email] said at 9:16 PM 09-24-2006:
    so no one who google searched my name would find it on the front page?

    so no one searching for that word on google would hopefully get any killoggs-related hits at all? (though, now, they would)
    reggie [email] said at 12:40 AM 09-25-2006:
    Personally, I'd rather not see that particular word. I don't think it's one that should be thrown around so casually.

    Not that I think anybody on here would use it in all of its negative connotations. I'd still like to not see it though.

    I was actually glad to see Josh bleep that out in his post, even though it was for different reasons.
      josh [email] said at 1:44 AM 09-25-2006:
      yeah its also not a word i use very much, unless i am singing along to rap music, a la that scene in Office Space...
        marcia [email] said at 11:59 AM 09-25-2006:
        but that's the thing, *you* didn't say this. you were quoting someone else, a random conversation on the street.

        if you were nervous about this kind of stuff, why not just put it in your journal for members only?
          josh [email] said at 12:20 PM 09-25-2006:
          so google will not somehow not find a word on killoggs because it's a quote?

          i didn't put it in my journal because i hoped other people would share amusing things they had overheard lately.
            chrisx [email] said at 3:17 PM 09-25-2006:
            I was standing at a bank teller, minding my own business, when the person at the teller next to me turned as he was leaving to say-
            "Dragons do not rule, dragonslayers still walk the earth."
            I was still trying to figure out the meaning of what I had just heard as the doors closed behind him. I turned to the teller lady and said "If he has ever killed a dragon, it was with twelve-sided dice."
      mary [email] said at 12:49 PM 09-25-2006:
      I think a lot of people might hold similar feelings about the b-word, but I guess that's a losing battle at this point anyway and isn't taboo in the same way in polite discourse now.
        josh [email] said at 12:55 PM 09-25-2006:
        you can say the b word on network tv... so i'd say it's far less of a taboo.
          marcia [email] said at 12:58 PM 09-25-2006:
          You can also say slut and whore (or ho) on TV. I find those words equally degrading.
            mary [email] said at 1:14 PM 09-25-2006:
            Yes.
            josh [email] said at 3:12 PM 09-25-2006:
            neither of those have come to be a common word for a mood as bitchy has become, though...
            josh [email] said at 9:29 AM 09-26-2006:
            also - do you find 'whore' to be offensive when it's used to describe someone who is literally a prostitute? or, how i most often hear it used, to describe someone "whoring themselves out" in a professional sense - that is, doing work they don't like at all for lots of money?
              marcia [email] said at 4:24 PM 09-26-2006:
              I don't call prostitutes anything but the word "prostitute."--though sometimes "hookers" I'm careful about the using the word "whore" or "ho"--as in, I don't use it to descibe women who are prostitutes or women who sleep with multiple men. The word makes me cringe how casually it's used--and also the glorification of the "pimp" idea(l) which I find repulsive.

              granted, i know plenty of people who call themselves whores, bitches, hos, etc. I even know black people who actually say, "There IS a difference between blacks and niggers" which floored me when I first heard it. I couldn't even sputter a response.

              There are a lot of things said that are "acceptable" in society that I don't find acceptable at all and I refrain from using those words. Whore and slut and bitch are three of them.

              I'm not against censorship but just because they're "acceptable" doesn't make their casual use okay to me. There are a lot of deep seated attitudes/racism/sexism/violence/hate in those words that makes me pretty uncomfortable hearing them.

              This kind of a conversation is incredibly complex---when it comes to cultural slurs, gender slurs, etc. and it's hard to delve into while i'm at work.

              i mean, how do you feel about the use of those types of words?
                josh [email] said at 4:37 PM 09-26-2006:
                I don't see any problem with the use of the word whore, or whoring... esp. in a context of:

                "I've been whoring myself out as a commercial artist, but I really want to get back to fine art." (or something similar)

                The word whore is an old word that means prostitute. In modern times it's used often simply to mean selling your ideals for a big payday... doing work you might be against because it pays well. I don't find that word on it's own offensive...

                Prostitute, hooker, street walker are all nicer sounding phrases, and i can see why a woman wouldn't want to be called a whore or a slut, but the word whore itself isn't in itself offensive....

                Slut I think is retarded because of all the implications that come with it...

                I don't really use these words much, except for the above usuage of "whoring".
                angelel said at 5:46 PM 09-27-2006:
                I know intellectually how much language influences thought... It's what I do for a living - help children to develop the language needed to understand complex and abstract relationships... Still, I use words like slut, whore, bitch without a second thought. Similarly, I rarely flinch when I hear these words.

                I think that my sense of outrage has died and I've become impassive like so many others. I attribute the death of my sense of outrage to how I've adapted to living and working in an environment where violent words are exchanged all of the time. Hell, plain ol' violence just as common. Two days ago, I listened as an overly-stressed mother screamed wildly and repeatedly smacked the crap out of her kid outside of my office door. I was sitting at my desk finishing up endless bureaucratic special education paperwork. I did not get up to glance disapprovingly at the mother. Feeling somewhat guilty, I continued to fill out my forms.
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        rick [email] said at 7:52 PM 09-25-2006:
        It is hard to argue for that word's having such a status as an unspeakable invective when this magazine is still distributed.
    kara [email] said at 9:18 AM 09-27-2006:
    I don't know why I got involved in this discussion because I don't really care either way, and wasted too much time typing about how I don't care
chrisx [email] said at 1:35 PM 09-25-2006:
Words. You cannot offend me with ANY word. Call me names. Talk about my mother as if you know about her. Call mme a Kraut or a cracker. Call my friends fags, nigs, kikes, baby-eating Bishops. Words.
"OOOooooh- I've been offended! My delicate self-image has been bruised by your use of a word with negative connotations! Help- I'm being oppressed by verbiage!"
Sticks and stones anyone?
    reggie [email] said at 2:08 PM 09-25-2006:
    It ain't that simple homez.
      chrisx [email] said at 2:28 PM 09-25-2006:
      Why not? Explain to me why it isn't.
      While freely using what is called "harmful language" may denote a lack of intelligence or maturity(or at least ettiquette) on the part of the user, I feel that being deeply or easily offended by the same words to show a lack of objective reasoning and maturity on the part of the offended.

      Stupidity is abhorrent and offensive to me, and this stupidity can be demonstrated in a lack of ettiquette or manners as well as in a lack of reasoning capabilities. However, I fully expect to be confronted with stupidity every day, and try not to let it "get to me". What I find offensive is stupidity displayed through actions/behaviour, not the mere speaking of a word.
        brianbibbly [email] said at 2:48 PM 09-25-2006:
        I pretty much agree with Chris but also recognize the need to not encourage the use of certain blatently offensive words. I think that you find unreasonableness on both sides of this extreme, i,e, the hardcore N-word users vs. the chronic criers of "racism!" for every preceived wrong in society. But as you move toward the middle, I think that reasonable minds can agree that some words carry much more specific hurtful meanings that people should refrain from using in most settings.
          woody [email] said at 3:05 PM 09-25-2006:
          Can we at least agree that bleeping the n-word out of Blazing Saddles is really stupid? I couldn't believe when some US network did that. Somebody missed the entire point of that movie.
            brianbibbly [email] said at 3:10 PM 09-25-2006:
            Agreed.
            art [email] said at 3:44 PM 09-25-2006:
            US networks also routinely cut out the farting bean scene, also missing the point of that movie
              woody [email] said at 7:47 PM 09-25-2006:
              I have seen it where the entire scene is played with almost a complete absence of sound effects. At least that gets the point across (they still stand and sit). But I've also seen it where a couple guys eat a bite of beans, then it cuts right to "How bout some more beans, Mr. Taggart?" which really makes his reply seem very strange.
          chrisx [email] said at 3:06 PM 09-25-2006:
          Indeed, I am not saying that "harmful language" should be tossed about casually, as this shows a lack of decorum/ettiquette. (I won't even bother with the illogical topic of who is or is not "allowed" to use certain words). I am merely pointing out that words like "the n-bomb" or bitch or slut or white-male-patriarch-oppressor are still only words, and their use can often tell us more about the person using them than the party they are directed at, just as the reaction of the person they are directed at (or the reaction of an over-hearing party) can be very revealing.
          Sticks and stones. Actions.
            brianbibbly [email] said at 3:11 PM 09-25-2006:
            Agreed, dicknose.
            jake [email] said at 10:12 PM 09-25-2006:
            Well good for you, Chris. You can't be offended by any word--wow, you must be awfully proud.

            Just out of curiosity, how many times have you been walking down the street and had someone yell out "white cracker" and leer like they and their friends are about to come over and beat you up? How often did that happen to your parents? Their parents? Anyone in your family ever been run out of town, or denied a loan, or otherwise discriminated against by someone whispering "honky" under their breath?

            Well, no matter. I'm sure, as you suggest, the only reason that people ever get bothered by the n-word and other epithets is that their pitifully small brains can't achieve the abstract intellectualized detachment that comes so easily to a liberated, fully realized modern man like yourself. You must be awfully proud.
              kara [email] said at 1:36 AM 09-26-2006:
              Um yeah like Chris said I think 'an offensive word' says more about the person who said it than it does about the person secondhand quoting it- and therefore it's full spelling shouldn't be inherently offensive to a rational person. The real offensive thing is ignorant people. If the words offend you because they remind you that ignorant people exist, then you are just offended by the truth and need to grow up.
              I see a lot of college kids every day who are caught up in the semantics of their morals. Later on you come to realize that words are a lot cheaper than actions, and the more freely you let them flow, the more golden bullshit nuggets you can strain out on your own.
                jake [email] said at 2:23 PM 09-26-2006:
                Sure, college kids get caught up in semantics and morals, trying to out do eachother in commitment to post modern detachment.

                But I think it's a little naive for anyone to declare that a word like that simply shouldn't be offensive. And it's more than a little condescending for you and Chris to just write off black people's sensitivity about this as immature.

                Take Chris at his word, that the reaction of the person they are directed at (or the reaction of an over-hearing party) can be very revealing.

                Chris' reaction is haughty, argumentative, and dismissive.

                Reggie's is calm, reasoned, and polite.

                Or can you tell the difference?
                  kara [email] said at 2:41 PM 09-26-2006:
                  I think his response is fairly intelligent, and Chris and I disagree on many topics, especially this kind of thing.
                  Your own reaction is haughty.. that's how people come off when they are opinionated!
                  As for dismissive, you can talk all the crap you want - I actually have had racial and gender slurs thrown at me my whole life (where I went to school, I was a minority and sometimes made uncomfortably aware of that fact).
                  There's football teams named after racial slurs for minorities who are too powerless for even the self-righteous such as yourself to take much notice.
                  It is words... some people's feelings get hurt, some people choose to be offended, some people choose to use it as an excuse to feel more enlightened and moral.
                  Still just a word.
                  reggie [email] said at 12:38 AM 09-27-2006:
                  Thanks for stickin' up for me Jake and I apologize in advance for harping on this again but I've had all day to stew on this so I'm just gonna let it out.

                  The thing is, nobody can sit there and try to say that any specific word shouldn't be offensive or shouldn't carry a lot of weight and anyone who does is lying to themselves.

                  For instance, if you stub your toe there's a difference in saying "Oh sh*t! I stubbed my toe!" and "Oh crap! I stubbed my toe!"

                  Each of those two words literally mean the same thing but one carries a whole lot more weight than the other.

                  You could say: "I had sex with that woman last night" or you could say "I f**ked that b**ch last night!" but which one has more impact.

                  We use specific words for a reason. If words were just words then what's the point of cussing? Why not just say "oh darn?"

                  You don't say "oh darn" because you want to convey a very specific emotional response to a situation.

                  Also, what people are also denying (or maybe not aware of) by saying that the N word is "just a word" is that there's an inherent level of violence that comes with that word. That's not just a vulgar word, it's not just an offensive word, it's a violent word.

                  Luckily, no White person has ever called me a n**ger to my face, and I'm calm enough person that if it ever happend I'd probably just turn the other cheek. However, I know that when that day does come (and as Black person I've accepted the fact that as long as I'm alive that possibility exists) I will feel as enraged as I've ever felt. It will take every ounce of control in my body to NOT punch that person in the face. I will experience a side of me that I've never seen before. I sense of rage so strong that I will be afraid of myself.

                  That's the power of that word. It's not simply a degrading word, it's dehumanizing. As it was originally used it's a word used by people who view my people as less than human. And for Chris or whomever to state that it's "just a word" is the ULTIMATE sign of disrespect for not understanding the true violence of that word.

                  It's the reason I will never refer to a Jewish person as that word that rhymes with "bike." It's the reason I will never refer to a gay person as that word that rhymes with "maggot."

                  These words are more than "bad words" these words are evil. They're used by people with a lack of respect for human life.

                  This is an argument that cannot be won by Chris, Kara, Bibbly or whomever else wants to take a crack at it. No matter what you say, no matter how reasonable your argument is you will always be wrong. Why? One simple fact: YOU ARE NOT BLACK. And therefore you have NO PLACE to tell ME what words I should or should not be offended by if you haven't been on the other side.

                  There are parts of this country where it's likely that I could be dragged along on the back of a pickup truck just because of the color of my skin.

                  I'm not mad, just disappointed at the level of what I see as disrespect.
                    woody [email] said at 1:56 AM 09-27-2006:
                    As it was originally used it's a word used by people who view my people as less than human.

                    It's a minor point, but I don't think this statement is entirely true. Like the words negro, colored, and black, I think the n-word was originally just a literal descriptor of skin colour, wasn't it? It eventually came to embody and represent attitudes and discrimination, but you can see that each of the other "preferred" words gradually also came to embody a similar spirit of contempt (though obviously not as extreme). I don't quite know why people focus on word usage instead of actual attitudes. I guess it's possible that a word change allows for a time of cultural change. Perhaps each cycle coincides with a major change in equality and attitudes?

                    There are other examples of this pattern, where a minority group replaces one preferred term with another. The bigots eventually come around to using the new word, at which time the word is associated with bigotry and again replaced. This would include words like queer, gay (though this one has survived better than most), midget, retarded, Jew, goy, and so on. Oh, and of course Hoser.
                      kara [email] said at 2:28 AM 09-27-2006:
                      well of course it comes with a shift of attitudes... as I said, there's certain minorities who are so powerless that no one even takes notice of the prevalence of their slur-ability.
                      Look at some West Virginia jokes... then look up the poverty level there.
                      And like I said, look at the NFL.
                      I don't really care about any of this, I just happen to be tipsy on the computer. I don't really give a crap about Jakes opinion, I do respect Reggie's opinion, but regardless, I have my own opinion on everything, as usual. I just happen to be better off keeping it to myself.
                      The funny thing is, due to my upbringing, I have nary actually uttered the "n-word" or the "f-word".. they both make me uncomfortable, this is true.
                      They both give me an opinion about the person who said them.
                      But that is rightfully so, and within context, I don't see anything wrong with quoting such words in their entirety so that I can all the more form my secondhand opinion... really all I was arguing about was the weird stigma about quoting someone else in their entirety - not what the person says in the first place. It all boils down to, like I said... ignorant people... but the word itself doesn't offend me... the ignorant people do.
                      If someone says "all women are fucking dumbass whores and holes for my juice," I'll gain a distaste for that person but not for the person who quoted it.
                      It's just words.
                      In its original context, it reflects an attitude. Is that attitude a bummer? Fuck yeah... but that's the point. I face the truth that there are people in this world who hate me for being white or being non-Christian or gorwing up poor or being a woman...
                      whether it's a phrase or a word, it's the same shit to me, and I wouldn't take any more offense to someone saying "That girl is a cunt" than someone saying "I think that women are inferior beings," because it's the same thing and it's still WORDS expressing ideas within their context.
                      And it's all stupid to debate about.
                      I should quit drinking and posting on the internet... but I could be out being an alcholic slutty white-trash whore, versus an ignorant insensitive alcoholic internet retard... so what can ya do?
                        abby's wakin up said at 9:12 AM 09-27-2006:
                        i say faggot way, way too often.

                        i just can't stop!
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                      kara [email] said at 2:39 AM 09-27-2006:
                      One last thing... and I may be making less and less sense.

                      Everything that I say, you have to approach from my personal semi-selfish philosophy of looking out for me and my friends.
                      I feel that my moral actions are more effective in dealing with my personal relations than actions I could take dealing with strangers and telling them about my opinions of wrong and right, and what to say.
                      I happen to know this disrespectful brute Chris X rather well, for better or for worse.
                      I happen to know that he too values his own (rather large and all-too inclusive) circle of company as his priority.
                      Within that group, these kinds of things lose relevance.
                      So, you can go ahead and be offended by people who are not offended by what you think that they should be offended by.
                      Or you can judge the people you encounter, and perhaps find out that a deceptively insensitive (cough-cough) person might turn out to be a much more level-headed and believable supporter of your values and your person than someone who is blindly trying to appease your generalizations.
                        reggie [email] said at 7:57 AM 09-27-2006:
                        Look I have no problems with you or Chris X. But he's the one who asked ME why it's not that simple so I answered him. And it was Katie who brought up the self-censoring of the word in the first place so I'm responding to her as well.

                        While I am a huge fan of the Washington NFL franchise I hate the name "Redskins" and would have no problems if they changed it. I'd support such a change. Does that make me a hypocrite? It probably does but ask me how much Redsk*n merchandise I own. None. I'll support the team out of regional pride but I'd be first in line to celebrate a name/mascot change.

                        I just think it's easier for people (all of us) to say that such and such word is "just a word" if you don't have to live with the consequences of hearing it/saying it.

                        You know I'm as big an advocate of free speech as any of us. But I'd also like to think that all of us on here are (or should be) aware of the potency of certain words.

                        Free speech doesn't give anybody the right to be insulting for the sake of it. It's supposed to be about defending ourselves. The right to bear arms doesn't mean we have the right to go out shooting each other, it's the right to protect ourselves.

                        That's all homey. I have no personal issue with Chris X. He's always been one of my favorite heads (despite his constant trashing of hip-hop.) And I'd like to actually meet the brother in person, share a beer and a laugh. We just happen to disagree with the potency of that potentially dehumanizing word. That's all.
                      reggie [email] said at 7:42 AM 09-27-2006:
                      I'm not talking LITERALLY as it was originally conceived. I've always assumed it's just a lazy version of Negro. But the word in its current offensive state has got to be over 200 years old. I've never done the history on it but there is a book all about by a Randall something or other (don't feel like looking it up now.)

                      Regardless, I normally don't focus so much on what people say because like most of us on this site, I've developed a fairly thick skin about such things.

                      What's motivating THIS though is what seems to be an insensitivity about how powerful a word that is. You guys aren't racist, I know that. But every time I hear that word come out of a non-Black person's mouth, it makes my skin crawl. No matter what the context.

                      That's just me. It's not hearing the word that does it but rather the idea that said person may feel they're so "down" that they can toss that word out there in a casual sense without appreciating its power.

                      There was this customer, an older white male, that I rang up when still at that other place who once referred to our loss prevention customer assistant (who's Black) as "the boy" to my face. I never quite figured out if he was a bigot or just ignorant of his word usage.
                    kara [email] said at 2:17 AM 09-27-2006:
                    Disrespect is my middle name.
          ed [email] said at 8:08 PM 09-25-2006:
          Trueness.

          Call me anything but "late for dinner" and I can overcome the piercing sadness.

          Then again, my peeps weren't enslaved - in this country! - for a coupla centuries.

          The opposite side of that coin is, neither have ANY others been enslaved in this country for a long, long time. And even though legalized discrimination is only 40-50 years off the radar, we are not (as a country) institutionalizing it any longer. Now, it's just a bunch of idiots and asshats who can't come to grips with reality. And we - as honkies and otherwise - should easily recognize people who are too stupid to move into the realm of the real world and take their words and deeds as, well, retarded.

          As they say (multiple times a day) on Fark, STFU&GBTW.

          People are gonna sling shite. If you choose to catch it, it's all on you.
            ed [email] said at 8:56 PM 09-25-2006:
            Sorry, legalized RACIAL discrimintation.

            Sexual and religious discrimination are still all the rage. Go, USA!
              josh [email] said at 9:23 PM 09-25-2006:
              legal religious discrimination? is this rampant? i admit i'm ignorant to matters of the cloth.
        abby [email] said at 3:22 PM 09-25-2006:
        i called josh a gook the other day
        reggie [email] said at 7:51 AM 09-26-2006:
        What I find offensive is stupidity displayed through actions/behaviour, not the mere speaking of a word.

        Stupidity annoys me more than anything in the world. And I'm not in total disagreement with ya on this whole matter. Yes, in the end words are just words.

        But if that were the case then you walk through some of the neighborhoods I've seen while drivin' around Baltimore and walk up to any of those dudes on the corner and drop that word, see what happens.

        You see all of you can sit up on your high horse and claim that it's "just a word" because at no point in your life has anyone directed at you in a hateful manner. At no point in your life have you been denied certain "unalienable rights" because of your skin tone. While none of this has happened to me personally I can sit down with my parents and they can tell me stories for hours of issues they faced growin up in the DirtyDirty in during those times. My mother who was the first Black graduate at her particular university probably has some real fascinating stories to tell ya.

        And the fact of the matter is just because I haven't had that slung at me doesn't mean it won't happen.

        If Dave Chappelle showed us anything it's that racism is pretty stupid. And he tossed that word around on his show for a reason, yet he's even expressed his own discomfort about that.

        Contrary to what all of you would like to believe America still isn't quite ready for that word to be used responsibly.

        There's so much more history with that word than with any other "swear word." I'm not the person any of you should be talking to about this though, actually freaking sit down with a large group of Black people and ask THEM if it's "just a word."

        Everything that you, Bibbly and Kara said is absolutely right but at the same time you're all completely wrong.

        Think about this: as much as Eminem gets away with saying, even HE refuses to say that one.
josh [email] said at 3:14 PM 09-25-2006:
so, is anyone gonna post funny things they overheard recently?
abby [email] said at 3:22 PM 09-25-2006:
a person of indistinct gender was shouting "BITCH" into their infants face on the light rail. "B I T C H, BITCH, SAY BITCH, BI-ITCH" and the baby cried and when another passenger expressed curiousity, the parent explained that "he my son and he need to curse a bitch out when she bein a bitch!"

it was a little bit funny, but mostly i feel bad for that baby.
    abby [email] said at 3:27 PM 09-25-2006:
    on my way home on the light rail, a woman was loudly complaining to anyone about the unfriendliness of baltimore, loud black worship in church, and the merit of gay christians.

    "like in the choir, i be like, i hope his wrist dont break!"

    she wouldnt stop talking and everyone looked uncomfortable. she apologized and explained that she was from philly, and thats how people are there, and she also just took her blood pressure medication.

    "you know what they call yall baltimore people in philly! baltiMORON!"
carla [email] said at 3:23 PM 09-25-2006:
The other day I was walking down Haight St. and this lesbian couple were walking down the street and the one girl squatted on the ground and said "and then, and then he grabbed the wiener like this" and she made a little pinching motion. It was really funny.

The same evening I was walking down Haight St. again and this girl was like "yeah, I like living in cardboard boxes..." just very casually.

Basically you are bound to over hear weird shit at any place in this city.
josh [email] said at 3:27 PM 09-25-2006:
the best overheard i've ever had was between two guys who may or may not have been gay hustlers in SF... both had long curly hair, and were wearing tight jeans and button up shirts. one was tall and blonde, the other shorter, with a beat up face. as the shorter one approached, the blonde dude said "what happened to you?! looks like you took a BUOY!!" and then we walked around in a circle pretending to be bow-leggeded
josh [email] said at 3:29 PM 09-25-2006:
on the marc train i listened to a guy call every girl in his phone and see what they were up to that night. he was really skillful at making it be like he wasn't asking for a date whenever they apparently didn't show interest. not getting rejected i guess is easy when you hedge your bets a bit. abby, mention the greek guy from the mayorial thing...
    abby [email] said at 3:34 PM 09-25-2006:
    watch out for survey calls from martin o'malley volunteer NICK, he is greek, and he is going to ask you out on a date.

    i had to volunteer (long story) next to him for a couple hours, and he scored like three dates with completely strange women, over the phone, by talking about dogs and being a goddamned greek.
      josh [email] said at 3:37 PM 09-25-2006:
      "(long story)"

      abby don't be ashamed of the community service you had to do! lots of people have been convicted of things
myriam [email] said at 8:45 AM 09-26-2006:
John told me a something he overhead the other day in Starbucks. He was waiting in line and a mom was in line behind him with her 3 year old son. Son reaches for a milk out of the beverage case and the mom goes, "What did I tell you about buying milk???"
Kid answers: "Buy organic!" and puts the milk back.
    brian [email] said at 9:40 AM 09-27-2006:
    that rules. well, except for the kid engaging in a diet of cruelty. GO VEGAN!!!

    god i wish i was actually that vehement.
ed [email] said at 11:57 AM 09-27-2006:
Overheard mere seconds ago: "Oww, that's hot" - from a cow orker pulling his lunch out of the microwave.
carol said at 8:37 PM 10-26-2006:
Esto realmente me parece una perdida de tiempo. ¿Cuan triste y decandente puede ser una sociedad en la que existe una inmensa falta de empatía como la que observo aquí?. Como dije anteriormente bitch es una palabra anti-mujer en una sociedad dominada por hombres y es así por medio de la religión y el lenguaje popular, entre otras cosas, las que tratan de generar miedo, vergüenza y culpa en las mujeres, especialmente en el aspecto sexual. Dices que palabras son tan sólo palabras, no lo creo así, creo que las personas NO deberíamos apoyar ni mucho menos tratar de justificar ningun tipo de violencia, no unicamente la violencia física sino también la psicológica. Por eso, en mi modesta opinión, las palabras violentas que hacen referencia a un sector específico de seres humanos son reflejo de la falta de visión personal. Obviamente el lenguaje, como todo lo demás que ha creado el ser humano tiene un TRASFONDO SOCIAL pero muchos no notan esto. Ejemplo: en lugares como Somalia se le dice una palabra bastante parecida a bitch a las mujeres que NO se quieren someter a la infibulación o mutilación sexual femenina, la diferencia en otros países es que la castración NO es física sino psicológica y se ha convertido en una costumbre tan marcada que hasta muchos NO lo perciben. A muchas mujeres en diferentes culturas se les hace creer desde muy pequeñas que su cuerpo es sucio, que si te miras en el espejo el diablo aparecerá y te llevará, es un lavado de cerebro que en otros lugares es mas sutil pero que no deja de estar presente y bastante tangible. Esa terminología debería pertenecer sólo a esos gansters que basan su vida en odio, odio y mas odio justamente porque ellos también lo han sufrido y desprenden una reacción en cadena que nos convierte personas con actitudes crueles en nuestras acciones, en nuestras palabras, en la música con el pretexto de liberarnos de todos esos sentimientos de rencor pero no se debería creer en aquella catársis de la ira porque se ha demostrado que, al contrario, en la mayoria de casos sólo impulsa mayor energía en la misma dirección. Socialmente también se puede observar que violencia genera violencia. Por eso es que digo ¿Cómo se pueden sentir orgullosos de mantener pensamientos absolutistas y conceptos que se basan en estereotipos o categorizaciones populares que los pueden llevar a la impresición y a la injustica?
He escrito en español porque hace muy poco estoy aprendiendo Inglés, espero que alguno de ustedes lleguen a comprender.
Saludos
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    art [email] said at 9:41 AM 10-27-2006:
    que pasa hot chiquita
    rick [email] said at 10:17 AM 10-27-2006:
    ¿Cuan triste y decandente puede ser una sociedad en la que existe una inmensa falta de empatía como la que observo aqu?.

    Cada socieda, en cada epoca, tiene una falta de empatia.

    A pesar de todos efuerzos, la cantidad del malo no ha mirado.

    rick [email] said at 10:28 AM 10-27-2006:
    Dices que palabras son tan sólo palabras, no lo creo as? creo que las personas NO deberíamos apoyar ni mucho menos tratar de justificar ningun tipo de violencia, no unicamente la violencia física sino también la psicológica.

    ojala una sociedad con civilidad mas fuerza trata su miembras mejor pero no creo que hay verdaderamente una conneccion entre de dos.

    Muchas veces, las sociedades que les interesan en civilidad y honor, tienen una falta de respeto de los derechos humanos, que, creo, es que te interesas.

    La insulta "bastardo" se presenta de las ideas anticuadas de la familia pero pocos hacen assercion que este termo es una attaca contra mujeres o ciertas familias (hoy dia sin embargo).

      rick [email] said at 10:31 AM 10-27-2006:
      Tu ejemplo de los lugares de Somalia es exactamente que digo cuando pienso de sociedades con una preoccupacion de honor y civilidad. La sociedad de Afghanistan en la era de Taliban es una otra, tal vez.
        katie [email] said at 5:37 PM 10-27-2006:
        show-off
          rick [email] said at 5:53 PM 10-27-2006:
          ?porque odias multiculturalismos, gringuita? ?porque odias la libertad?
            katie [email] said at 7:48 PM 10-27-2006:
            porque tu es pendejo. yo no soy gringita ... mi padre es muy roja.
            y porque esta conversacion es muy ridicolo.
              rick [email] said at 12:29 PM 10-28-2006:
              it's "tu eres un pendejo" and actually, all non-Hispanic persons north of the Rio Grande are "gringos" (although it should be pointed out that in Latin America the term is mostly non-pejorative).

              Can't we have fun playing around with other tongues? Didn't you go to the District Literary Rally in high school to compete in French?

                katie [email] said at 1:46 PM 10-28-2006:
                yeah, i did ... but why do you know that?

                anyway, conjugation is for weenies.
                  rick [email] said at 2:15 PM 10-28-2006:
                  Because you told me.

                  Conjugation is indeed for effete fops who fall down upon the sight of simplicity. Proof of the superiority of the English tongue:

                  Police police police poll.

                  A wholly correct sentence grammatically speaking with no inflections. Stick that in your Funk & Wagnalls.

            courtney [email] said at 3:09 PM 10-28-2006:
            Estoy riendo en alta voz.
        carol said at 7:35 PM 10-27-2006:
        Yo creo que el multiculturalismo es bueno e importante. Me parece relevante que los seres humanos tengan oportunidad de ver las cosas de dieferentes ángulos y tengan una percepción mas aguda y diversa de la vida, la filosofía, etc. Lo que NO me parece bien es que se les enseñe a las personas a ser crueles y que se les de ventaja a unos sectores en todos los aspectos y a otros sectores se les maltrate y humille.
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      carol said at 8:54 PM 10-27-2006:
      Gracias por responderme. Yo creo que el honor, lo que es correcto o incorrecto es uno de los temas mas relativos que existen. NO soy una persona religiosa pero tengo conciencia, consigo el pan con la mente, creo que soy un ser humano honrado, soy muy feliz y tengo mucha paz; tal vez por eso NO reflejo amargura para con los demás. Mi concepto de lo bueno, del honor o de la moralidad está basado en trabajar, aportar a la sociedad, luchar por incrementar el conocimiento, ser solidario, ayudar a mi familia y amigos, respetar los derechos de los demás, etc, NO en el puritanismo o en creencias dogmáticas. Pero respeto tu opinión
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      carol said at 9:25 PM 10-27-2006: