the hate has left killoggs and moved over to thepAvedearth. ben, andy, and i just got the following e-mail:
From: jon
To: Ben , Andy , Meredith
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 19:45:13 (GMT)
Subject: hi
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your opinions suck just as you. led zepplin paved the way for modern rock. i'm young and know more about music than you do. you should jump off a bridge and never talk again. just because you suck doesnt mean everyone suffers because of your suckiness. many bands on your list have had a influence on modern society. we draw our modern music from these bands that you openly and stereotypically critisize. people like you should be taken behind a shed and be beaten with a chinese fighting stick. never talk again and die.
that's in response to the bands we hate list on our site, which causes some controversy now and then. i don't think anyone here will find the bands we hate all that surprising.
earlier in the day, someone posted a nasty comment on the message board about a poem one of our favorite listeners, melli, wrote. ben says we get a lot of traffic because of that poem, because it's about frances bean cobain. i think melli comes to killoggs sometimes, or at least she used to.
in news lacking any real venom, today i ran over a box. i thought it was a piece of brown packing paper, but no, it was in fact a box with papers and such things inside it. it got stuck under my car and i had to pull over to get the box out. but it was really wedged under there and i wasn't strong enough to pull it out. eventually, some nice man came along, lifted up the car for me, and i managed to pull the box out.
pAver ben [ url ] said at 4:32 PM 03-19-2002: As is customary at tpe, I posted the hatemail to our message board so's the general public can comment on this unfolding situation.
josh [email] said at 4:45 PM 03-19-2002: BANDS ON YOUR LIST THAT I'VE NEVER HEARD OF INCLUDE :
Local H
Dynamite Hack
SR-71
Crack the Sky
Dino (Unless you mean Dean Martin?)
5ive
3 Doors Down
Kottonmouth Kings
Lit
Pod
Dope
Travis
AQUA
Eve6
Jimmie's Chicken Shack
Watershed
Good Charlotte
Lifehouse
xmx said at 5:46 PM 03-19-2002: he didn't lift it up off the ground, over his head. he just lifted the front of it a little bit and i scrambled underneath it.
Rob [ url ] said at 6:10 PM 03-19-2002: Dammit boudet you stole my superman crack. Don't make me start coming in here even more often than I already do, just to be the first to make a witty comment.
o bk said at 6:40 PM 03-19-2002: you are officially cleared of any wrongdoing. A very good and complete list, with only two bands that I don't hate on there. I may not listen to them, but they don't fill me with rage the way that EVERY OTHER SINGLE BAND on your list does. Bravo.
Ren said at 7:18 PM 03-19-2002: I can't say that I hate this group because I only know one of their songs but their one song I know makes me want to gouge out my ears and why not claw out my brains while I'm at it: "what's going on" by 4 Non Blondes. Wait, I DO hate them for that song. HAAAAAAAATE THEM. HAAAAAAAAATE.
NuckleheadEd [ url ] said at 10:48 PM 03-19-2002: Zeppelin took the Blues, wrapped it in spandex and cocaine, and gave it to the white kids. They stole, lock stock and barrel, entire songs and didn't credit the original artists (in fact, claimed writing credits).
Rickriminate said at 10:04 AM 03-20-2002: If you mean that song P. Diddy whipped up for Godzilla, I shall have to put you on hip-hop critical probation for such apostasy.
danman said at 3:35 PM 08-23-2004: gotta say, i am totally with the nucklehead on this one. zepplin stole several and tried to claim them for thier own...but you can't blame them. it seems to be a pretty popular thing to do. old southern blues songs make up 'rouph drafts' for tons of songs. even though i hate to admit it, one of my idols, Grate Dead, stole walkin blues. cant remember the original artist offhand. ??
o bk said at 7:53 PM 03-19-2002: Ren: the reason why you only heard that one song is that they broke up right after that single got big. I remember seing this on pop-up video a few years ago. I think that they are all now working at various truck stops throughout California.
josh [email] said at 12:07 AM 03-20-2002: Right after that song was big they played at a Animal Rights concert and were all wearing leather pants. The singer made a comment on MTV about how they didn't realize they meant cows, too, when they said "animals".
Mike said at 1:26 AM 03-20-2002: I pretty much agree with all the bands on this list except for two. Led Zepplin. It's just classic, you can't really hate it... or can you?
Dave Matthews Band. I know that this one is 50/50 with people. Some like it, some don't. I do, you don't. It isn't a deal.
In fact, none of them are even a deal, so people shouldnt' even be wasting your time mailing you about that, cause who cares. It's an opinion...
josh [email] said at 3:45 AM 03-20-2002: Actually, I feel the same about a lot of big bands where I don't have an opinion about them, really, but the blinding, furious loyalty of their fans weirds me out.
Linus said at 10:38 AM 03-20-2002: Yeah, for some reason jam band fans bring more disregard for their bands than any genre. I once had somebody offer to give me their entire Widespread Panic collection so I could see the light. I politely declined.
milky [email] said at 10:45 AM 03-20-2002: I've always noticed that the glazed look in their eyes wasn't an appreciation for the band...it was usually the result of a bong hit, or some other mind-altering substance.
Rickled Pink said at 11:01 AM 03-20-2002: Hush, now Nate Dogg! You yourself said you live to whirl about, reeking of patchouli & scanning for butterflies, to the tune of "Sugar Magnolia."
nathan [email] said at 11:10 AM 03-20-2002: Mr. Rick, you must have thought I said that when you entered a parallel universe in which your name was Mr. Zortab Celebrex Zalmex III in which the world was composed of placid tai chi crazed housewives and not-so-grumpy grandparents.
Rickelodeon said at 11:16 AM 03-20-2002: Was it that universe? I thought it was the one in which "Cobra" starring Sly Stallone won an Oscar at the Academy Awards I attended sitting between Tiny Tim & a gigantic, ten-foot tall chinchilla named Mr. Snowflake.
squirrelgirl said at 4:47 PM 03-20-2002: I had an extremely annoying, self-righteous, hippy wanna be roommate who thought Phish was God, and that no other band could compare. I hate Phish because of her.
zack [email] said at 3:45 AM 03-22-2002: from the Phish.net FAQ: "This song is not by the Vermont band Phish. It was originally done by Dr. Dre, Snoop, and a NYC hip-hop artist named Phish, and has been covered by a bluegrass band from Texas called the Gourds. The latter circulates on MP3, and is sometimes incorrectly labelled as by Phish. It ain't. The hip-hop artist Phish is also featured on backup vocals for Dre's "What's the Difference" (track 7 on Dr. Dre - 2001 - as remarkably unoriginal as using the name "Phish" more than a decade after the band)" I thought it was some K records band with a girl singer. I have no idea what the Gourds sound like. I'm sure there's more than one version. Apparently, Faith No More have covered it as well.
josh [email] said at 12:16 PM 03-22-2002: the Gourds version is the one everyone has heard. They also do a few other amusing covers. I think they do "Gangster Lean" or somesuch song...
milky [email] said at 3:51 PM 03-20-2002: Yeah...Widespread Panic fans are jush N'Synch fans in hemp clothes...and bad breath and body odor...dunno about the webbed toes..
kiche [email] said at 11:40 AM 03-21-2002: dave mathews band is one of the worst bands i have ever heard. they would make it near the top of any worst of list i can think of. and i hated them long before i found out they had any sort of "following".
oh yeah, and starship should be airplane/jefferson airplane/jefferson starship/starship,
although jefferson airplane had a couple of good songs. they just had no idea when to quit.
josh [email] said at 12:21 PM 03-21-2002: Really? It seems far, far too generic for me to really hate.
The same with all those bands with names that are like "a noun" + "a number", who have a sensitive male singer. They are all interchangable and far too boring to hate.
brianbibbly said at 1:13 PM 03-22-2002: Now, collectively, I don't like Dave Matthews Band, and his voice makes me want to stick a hot poker in my eye, but you have to give his musicians props. I mean every one of those guys have serious chops. (and mops, and crops and pop rocks!) They do come up with some innovative rhythms, however poppy they might have become.
I will now duck while all the punk rock kids hurl things at me.
josh [email] said at 1:24 PM 03-22-2002: I think most major label bands are very talented musicians. I mean, if you play 200 shows a year, you realy have no excuse not to be very good at your instrument.
brianbibbly said at 2:41 PM 03-22-2002: True dat, also a lot of those guys are career sidemen or studio guys who are just totally sick at what they do.
kiche [email] said at 2:43 PM 03-23-2002: i hate dave mattews band precisely because they are so fucking generic. i mean they didn't even bother to name the band.
they make themselves out to be this new and different type of musical act. but they sound like just another generic pop act.
the thing is they actually have in the band all these different types of instruments not generally found in a pop rock act. the musicians actually come from diverse musical backfrounds. i have seen interviews with them saying this is the reason for their "unique" sound.
i think their input, though is completely de emphasized because they are in "dave matthews" band.
i hate them they are the kings of all those shitty college rock acts who say they are a blend 15 different genres but are really just an awful 90s pop act.
xmeredithx [email] said at 4:17 PM 03-21-2002: the hate mail keeps coming in...either we're linked to on some site or these are all jokes. i'm not sure which. either way, these are damn funny.
From: Aimee
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 19:20:17 (GMT)
Now then Lets get one thing straight Bon jovi rock! You guys dont know talent! What do you have against them there the best band in this universe and losers like you go and slag them of! Your so pathetic your so bored you need something to do so you slag of pure talent! Jon bon jovi is so fit and as for richie sambora well hes fantastic but I suppose you dont know who richie is! You guys are so sad!! bon jovi are pure amazin! I love them! Then you slag them of you sad people not got anything better to do!?? Can I just ask one question why wont you play them?? There the best band ever!! Absolutely no love Aimee Bon jovi sambora.
Ps. Bon jovi rocks!
pps, you suck, bon jovi are the best Ask anyone accept your poxy friends!!!!!
brandon says "That's definitely a joke. I mean. C'mon, can people that illiterate ACTUALLY run a computer?"
Nathan said at 12:27 PM 03-22-2002: I was going to make a case for Metallica here, based on, if nothing else, their song Motorbreath, on Kill 'em All, not only being a really great song, but accompanying Colin MacKaye in one of the best skateboarding sequences ever. But, then I remembered their being partially responsible for killing Napster. Now, I personally found a strong irony therein, becuase I wouldn't have ever bought any of their tapes, if my friend Brian hadn't given me a copied tape of And Justice for All. (remember, they got no airplay at this point) So, essentially, I ended up buying a few of their tapes due to the primitive form of file sharing. I think it would be really interesting to approximate how many dollars in music sales resulted from people liking a file they downloaded and then buying the CD. That was certainly my habit, because of the exposure Napster gave me to great musicians with no airplay like Les Paul, Chet Atkins, Serge Gainsbourg, Francoise Hardy, Sylvie Vartan, Les Lutins, Jimmy Rodgers......... and due to the fact that a downloaded file burned onto a CD is the audial quality equivalent of a copied tape.
josh [email] said at 1:06 PM 03-22-2002: I tend to think it didn't hurt sales at all, either, Nathan. I think a case can probably be made that it hurts big artists and helps smaller ones. Which is a big part of why record labels hate unfettered file trading... File trading levels the distribution playing field, which goes against everything they stand for. In this day and age, the ONLY things that the labels really have going for them is distribution channels and advertising. Weird grass roots phenomenon like Blair Witch show that even a small company can come out of nowhere with a huge hit.
brianbibbly said at 1:17 PM 03-22-2002: Nathan, you totally missed out on Josh and I's conversation in the New section (see 'Face of Morpheous is changeing'). We've been through all this.
...and metallica used to kick so much ass it hurt! Believe that.
brandon [email] said at 2:34 PM 03-22-2002: Dude, that album is all about J. Hetfield's right hand. Oh, and someone punched me in the face really hard at one of their concerts.
Nathan Koenig said at 3:51 PM 03-22-2002: I followed that Morph argument (in fact, I did post something in the Morph that you may have missed) which levied some categorization of thieves which would include us all, which I thought invalid (or at least counter to progress), and which had already been painfully detailed and fought over a half year ago, so I was resistant to post this, but I thought that it brought up some new points, and I love the Metallica story
kiche [email] said at 2:48 PM 03-23-2002: yeah, you see. now that metallica gets constant radio rotation it is in their best interests not for you to hear copied music of other bands in mp3 or tape format. what a bunch of sellouts.
