Many women I have met love shopping for clothes or shoes. Some of my friends get a kick out of thrift store shopping, others like garage or book sales. I like grocery shopping. I like to shop alone. There was a time when I had to go to the store with a big piece of paper (telling everyone 'My girlfriend said for me to get these things.'), but I can go alone now. The only problem is that every single time I go, something I thought I put into the cart does not show up at home. I always check the receipts and the items aren't there either. Yesterday, it was a pound of sliced turkey. A week ago, it was a pound of cod. Last month, it was a six-pack of toilet tissue. It is like looking for missing socks. Maybe I'm still shopping disabled. It is just funny. I don't know why or how it happens. One day someone from the HEB will chase me to my car with some rotting meat and toilet paper and yell, "Sir, YOU FORGOT THIS!"
Everyone watch the news in the morning? Is it me, or is it just not fun anymore? I put on CNN and I just sigh with a tinge of sadness. I did laugh about those prisoners at Camp X-Ray trying to speak loudly and get attention for their 'plight.' I found it funnier that anyone finds this newsworthy enough to broadcast.
There is this site online, by some religious type that condones the eating of cats and dogs. He actually has a picture of a cat skinning in process. That's the most disturbing image. I would put up a link, but that's just bad. Gay hair metal is ironic. Religious links are funny. Cat recipes aren't.
I know Zack does, but does anyone else watch 'Home Movies' on Adult Swim on the Cartoon Network? Maybe I can ask Mike M. for copies from his TiVo. I was a big fan of 'Dr. Katz.' I think everyone else hated that cartoon. I loved it. That's sorta why I like 'Home Movies.' The writing is a alot better.
I turn 26 on the 16th. Michelle will be 27 on the 14th. We're going to bake a cake on the 15th and just not talk about age, but how much fun the last year has been. Maybe we can fly the kite again. Still, we're both looking forward to the Spurs v. Lakers game on the 20th, I mentioned before.
Nathan said at 2:14 PM 03-12-2002: I really liked the secretary character on Dr. Katz. She was pretty subtle. I thought her ambivalence to Dr. Katz's attempts to be cool with her and DrK's son's passion for her was one of the funnier scenarios on TV.
Mary said at 2:58 PM 03-12-2002: I like grocery shopping. When I lived one block from the grocery store, I went there every day for the produce I had that day. It was awesome. Now I go every 2 weeks, but I plan out all my meals in advance, which is also weirdly fun.
Other than that, shopping bores me. It's functional.
brianbibbly [email] said at 3:24 PM 03-12-2002: I like Star Wars more than Star Trek. I like Krispy Kreme donuts too but they can't beat Mary Lee donuts. I like Skeletor more than He-Man. I like Megatron more than Optimus Prime. I like Destro more than Hawk or Duke. I like Mum-Ra more than Lion-O. I like Strawberry Frosted Pop-Tarts more than the non-frosted strawberry Pop-Tarts. I like Gargamel more than Papa Smurf. I like Slimer more than the Ghostbusters. I like Lex Luther more than Superman, Dr. Octopus more than Spiderman and Red Skull more than Capitan America. So there.
angele said at 3:25 PM 03-12-2002: I miss grocery shopping immensely. It's tragic that the chronic state of the kitchen at the Dirtfarm so icky that I don't keep food. One of my favorite pleasures is traversing the aisles of the grocery store surrounded by walls of happy-colored product labels. Nothing is more soothing than fresh produce. Some nights when I could not sleep I would go to the grocery store and spend hours at the nearby 24-hour grocery store enjoying it all to myself. It's only fitting that I met Ben at the 24-hour Winn Dixie in Baton Rouge. We were in the soup aisle. He was buying ramen noodles to give away on the punk show at KLSU. I turned to him and asked, "Who the hell are you?"
Shell said at 4:00 PM 03-12-2002: Sure. I can't imagine your boring, normal circumstances, nor what Jeff would term weird ;). But if you don't care to, don't tell. Really.
zack [email] said at 5:59 AM 03-13-2002: yeah, our 6 year anniversary is this saturday. I guess we rock or something. Liquidrone is still together but Talice quit almost a year ago now.. She's in this other band called the the myrtles.
angele [email] said at 4:29 PM 03-12-2002: Thank you Josh and Amanda for bravely ridding the fridge of that nastiness. I'm sure it was aweful and you gagged spastically during the whole operation. It's amazing how communal living results in such enormous messes. I was fantacizing recently about becoming the Dirtfarm mommy and making out a calendar of who's turn it is to do chores. Each week it would alternate who has to clean and mop the kitchen and who takes out the garbage. What do you think? I spent an hour scrubbing my abused and neglected pots and pans just so that I could make rice crispy treats. I'll try to keep myself from eating all of them so that you can enjoy some of the heaven that is rice crispy treats.
Oh-- Zack, the mounds of garbage are always there along with the creeping smelly brown stain on the floor.
josh [email] said at 5:45 PM 03-12-2002: I dunno. I'm a big fan of eating out, myself. I, personally don't really need a kitchen to live, though the stove is nice because I can make tea when I'm sick. I've never cooked in the house, that I can think of, besides using the microwave.
angele [email] said at 6:07 PM 03-12-2002: I,love to cook.
I love clean kitchens with lots of pots and pans and plates and utensils. things like cheese graters and can openers bring me joy. I miss living in a house that has a cutsie bathroom and a clean kitchen. I like it at the dirtfarm, but wouldn't it be so much nicer if we didn't have to shut ourselves up in our compartments because the common areas are disgusting? Wouldn't it be nice to not be completely grossed out by our living conditions for a change?
I know that I'm talking radically right now, but this place could be much better if we put forth the tiniest effort to just keep the kitchen clean.
Ben suggested that I remove all of my pots, pans, plates, bowls, cups and utensils from the kitchen because it bothers me to see my shit that I paid for dirty and molding carelessly in the sink. (Granted, I make my share of messes, I don't trash other people's shit.) But, why should Ihave to pack all my stuff away because some dirtfarmers don't clean up afterthemselves or their friends? Part of the rent that I pay every month includes that kitchen, so why can't I actually enjoy it. What does everyone else think?
josh [email] said at 7:20 PM 03-12-2002: It's cool with me if the kitchen is clean as long as, if I don't use it, I don't have to clean it. Now that I make enough money to eat out every meal, or buy ready made food, I fully intend to do so.
I'd be happy to contribute to a major cleaning of the kitchen/bathrooms, IF it was gonna stay clean and if I never use the kitchen I don't get assigned any chores to clean it.
I guess rules could be made that no one can leave dishes in the sink, or they get thrown away. But then what happens if someone uses someone else's dishes? I guess my little plan has just hit it's first major flaw, damn.
angele said at 7:45 PM 03-12-2002: it's just a source of endless frustration... I wish that things were neater and hygenic, but any effort to maintain things gets struck down by a multitude of reasons:
1) I'll go to clean a room and the light bulb instantly blows for the second time in a week
2) a crew of drunkards wreak their natural havoc on the house
3)or I just become accustomed to the mess and altogether end up contributing to it.
There must be a better way. If I could have a clean kitchen in every other place I've ever lived, it's possible here, too.
anotherben said at 7:53 PM 03-12-2002: in my kitchen it is always kind of interesting to see just how high kiche can stack empty pizza boxes on top of the garbage can. i feel your pain.
mary [email] said at 10:40 PM 03-12-2002: I'm going to buy a house soon, I think. You can come live with me, Angele, and we will cook and clean, and cook and clean. The bathroom will also smell nice.
josh [email] said at 1:57 AM 03-13-2002: Zack, Ben and I have decided that tomorrow we are going to totally clean the kitchen and then devise a solution to keep it closed off. Maybe a tarp? That way none of us will use it, but you can get into if you want.
Bendependent [email] said at 3:31 AM 03-13-2002: by the way, i was referring to angele in the original post that started this thread, not the kitchen debate. as far as the kitchen goes, i think we should just have a cabinet with all of our dishes and just not use anyone else's (unless we ask or something). Then it would be obvious whose dishes are dirty and we'd tell whomever to clean them (regardless of who messed them up). Angele doesn't want to block off the kitchen. I never go in the kitchen. Once it is clean (again - *note* - it has been cleaned several times by several different people), i may cook in it like once a month or something. I doubt it though cos I eat out all the time too. All the kitchen really needs is a garbage can, segregation of everyone's stuff, some shelves, and some basic rules. It's really not that hard. Noone should ever use the dishwasher either cos it doesn't work. I probably won't use the kitchen much anyway even if it's clean cos even when it's as clean as it can possibly get it still feels gross. I can't bring myself to cook in a space that has nasty woodpaneled walls, tainted counters, and brown cabinets. It just feels gross. If I was ever going to use the kitchen regularly it would have to be completely redone. Really though, all we have to do is seperate our stuff and fuss at whoever breaks the basic rules that we establish for the kitchen.
Bendependent [email] said at 3:36 AM 03-13-2002: oh yeah, i also think that the house more or less only gets wrecked after shows. it's a slower wreckage between shows. before shows we usually "clean" it up a bit. we should start having dumb little house meetings before shows to decide who's going to clean up what after the show (like pick a room or something).
brianbibbly [email] said at 11:12 AM 03-13-2002: Watch out Ben, your house is slowly degenerating into something resembling 'The Real World.' BTW, if the dishwasher doesn't work, clean it out and store your pots in there. Thats what I used to do. Just a suggestion. Now get to cleaning boy! HAHAHAHAHAHA.
mary [email] said at 2:24 PM 03-13-2002: I doubt it. If the Dirtfarm had a hot tub, it would most certainly be filled with puke, just like the bathtub.
josh [email] said at 3:05 PM 03-13-2002: I dunno, it's mostly just when people get drunk, not specific to shows, really. (I blocked the kitchen off for the last show, incidentally. It only had people in it at the after party.)
Like the shaving cream poetry on the bathroom wall which has now, probably permanently stained the wood paneling... Or the bizarre, tree bark textured vomit in the bathtub (which Abby and Zack cleaned up). Things like that tend to happen when people get drunk, whether there is a show or not.
Look at the house today and see what state it's in, then compare tomorrow (Abby's birthday party is tonight). I'll bet there is some carnage. It's just a natural result of people partying - things get dirty.
Personally, I don't really mind things being cluttered or even dirty/dusty. I mind organic matter, be it food or beer, littering the place for more than a day or two. I hate bugs. This will get more important as the days get warmer. It is especially true since someone at the house insists on leaving every window open... Inviting bugs in.
To me, a dusty floor or clothes and such being around isn't a big deal. But old food and stuff is, because roaches and ants and stuff come in. And that's gross. It's a big part of why I don't even really want to cook... I'd rather not contribute to the chances of bugs coming into the house. And I hate to clean up, and I am not much of a cook anyway, so it's easier just not too in general.
Personally, I'd be for saying things like : if there are dishes in the sink, they get thrown away, period. I don't have dishes and don't plan on buying them, so I'd be fine with going and throwing everything away that's dirty in the sink if I saw something dirty. The problem with this is it's unfair if someone else uses your dishes, then they get thrown away. And when people come over, they will use our dishes. Period. There's no getting around that. If there are 10 people over drinking, they will use our dishes without asking whose dishes they are.
So I think we should segregate dishes and maybe even lock them up, or keep them in our rooms. If dishes are dirty, then they get tossed.
I'd also be cool with applying this rule to all common areas, if I get some more storage space that's mine. Magazines on the floor? They get tossed, etc. My only problem with this is I have very little personal, lockable, storage space compared with you and Angele (so does Zack, but he seems to have less stuff). I have a small closet, and a small room. Downstairs there is that big closet, then Malkovich, then the laundry room and your studio and the bedroom and angele's room. Plus you have your van/shed.
I'll probably annex the basement closet, if that's cool, since the music equipment is already there.
I'd use the second room, but people always stay in there and I don't really want my things in there if people are in and out.
Like I said last night, we need to invest in a few large and several small trash cans. Every room should have one.
We should also get those lightbulbs that don't burn out for like 5 years, the weird flourescent ones. They look ugly, but the house would stay cleaner if we could see in the rooms. And it's cheaper in the long run, too.
We should dump furniture we don't need, like say that "coffee table" and anything else junky that just adds to the clutter. Like that weird "table" in the kitchen.
We should throw away things like those records in the hall that are just under foot.
We should declare some sort of warning period, actually. Everyone should have to take everything that is theirs into their rooms by friday night. Then saturday we should just throw away EVERYTHING that is in a commons area.
We could get or build a cabinet with locks for the kitchen. One with 4 enclosures, one for each of us. Keep our stuff in there, including dishes. Any dirty dishes in a common area go in the garbage.
We should also go through the closets and cabinets and junk all the crap that's in them. Including the kitchen cabinets and that book case.
Realistically, I'd just like to find a better place soon. Our dishwasher doesn't work, the upstairs shower barely works and the downstairs shower isn't much better. The lights burn out constantly, the place is intensely cheap and ugly in every respect. I don't have heat in my room. There's little storage space upstairs. I mean, it's cool we can do whatever we want with it, but I'm sure there are other places like that out there. The only two reasons I like the house are 1. it's semi cheap (but not that cheap when you think about it), and 2. we can have shows.
I know we can find a place for the same price that's nicer. Remeber Erica & Sonny's? I believe they pay $1500 and their place is much bigger and nicer. That sounds like a lot, maybe, but we pay $1200 for our place... And they have like 6 people living over at that house! Which is more than I'd want to live with, but I'm sure we could find someplace as nice, but a little smaller.
All we really need is a 2 bedroom, 2 bathroom house.
For example, a quick search finds 3 houses that sound interesting :
3 bd, 1 1/2 ba, garage, $1450
3br/2ba, garage, w/d, patio $1295
3br/1 1/2 ba, finished basement, hardwood floors, covered porch, metro accessible, new kitchen $1250 - thats $50 more than we pay now and it sounds awesome.
Bendependent [email] said at 3:32 PM 03-13-2002: we live in a house that is almost exactly like the one in fight club. it is awesome and i love it. there are even lots of fights in it where innocent girls get ass faced by bare asses.
brianbibbly said at 3:36 PM 03-13-2002: Here is a crazy, wild, out-of-control idea.......wash the fucking dish when you are done with it? How hard is it to wash a dish right after you eat? I mean, the stuff hasn't hardend into concrete yet, and hasn't begun to smell. Just take the one dish and rinse it off, then place it back in the cupboard. Probably a lot easier than building Fort Knox cabinets with locks and alarms on them.
josh [email] said at 3:50 PM 03-13-2002: It is apparently hard for some people. I know I don't generally use dishes, so I don't really consider it my problem too much. I rarely cook, and when I do I use those handy Glad "semi-disposable" bowls. Thus if I feel like washing it, I do, or if not I toss it.
But I'd be happy to throw away any dirty dishes I see, that'd be fun.
You don't really get the dynamic at our house... In an average week, I imagine about 20-25 different people are there. Every week there is at least one or two nights that I'd consider "parties", and this doesn't count shows. This weekend some guy spent the night who I never spoke too, nor do I know who he was. This is a house where the average consumption of beer by people who DO NOT live there is 2 six packs a night.
This rises up on the weekends. 99% of the glasses that get used, for example, are for mixed drinks. How can you make sure people wash their dishes in that sort of environment? That's why I support either disposable dishes or no dishes in public places.
brianbibbly said at 4:02 PM 03-13-2002: Yeah Josh, I understand. Get disposable everything. Fuck the envrionment(I'm not being cynical here, I'm serious). Be able to throw every damn thing in the trash if the clutter is that bad. And while you're at it, throw Ben in the trash once for me will ya?
*carla* [ url ] said at 4:29 PM 03-12-2002: Grocery store shopping makes me pee my pants from excitement. I am one of those people who go in to get a couple things and come out with a cart full of crap I didn't need.
Shopping in general gets my knickers wet. I like going to the mall. I'm one of those people- and I don't care what anybody has to say about it!
Okay, since my boyfriend doesn't really give a shit about me maybe the killoggs dating service will work out for me too!!
Rob [ url ] said at 6:32 PM 03-12-2002: Sorry carla, I had my rude filter turned off. I veree much like people who sa 'knickers,' if thats an consolation. BTW, I just realized m Wai kee is not working.
Courtney [ url ] said at 4:34 PM 03-12-2002: I hate shopping. I need an objective, and will do just that, no wandering around the mall for me.
But then again, when I grocery shop, I come out with a cart of junk, as well. What IS it about grocery stores? Something about the gourmet in me screaming to get out...
brianbibbly [email] said at 11:16 AM 03-13-2002: Milky, next time you go to the store, bring a roll of Black Duct Tape. Whenever you pick something up, tape it to you. Then, when you go to check out, lie down on the belt and spin yourself over the checkout sensor like a rotiserrie chicken. That'll do the trick. You'll never forget anything with that technique.
milky [email] said at 5:17 PM 03-13-2002: I'm not so much worried about losing stuff anymore...it's just really humorous. I'll keep your advice in mind, though.
nathan [email] said at 6:51 PM 03-14-2002: And then the fun part is that you some home to your beautiful girlfiend who asks if you need help carrying in the groceries and as they are all taped to you she must carry you over the threshold, just like a honeymoon and you will tell her that you have a tasty grape duct taped in a secret location.
Arnie said at 4:51 PM 03-13-2002: In Santa Cruz, the house shows totally wrecked everything. The average show there generated about 60 or so people in a house that can barely fit 20. The good thing about it was that most of the kids wanted to see music, not get drunk, so the amount of puke and spilt beer was minimal. The bad thing was that punks don't always like to shower so the house retained the smell from a variety of people, it smelled kinda like cheezebread. The funnest thing about the shows was when we would set up the video camera in the living room and have it played on the tv in the kitchen.
I've always said that in a house with three or more people, the key to happiness is a clean kitchen. One of my ex roomates actually cried because the kitchen was too dirty.
milky [email] said at 5:02 PM 03-13-2002: I knew how to clean, but I didn't do so until I began living with a woman...I found out just how disrespectful an apartment I dirtied and left dirty is to someone I care about.
