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Actors whose movies are unintended sequels

Example A: James Spader

In Pretty in Pink he is a pompous ass, sexually indulgent and blasé about it. Secretly falls in love with Andie (Molly Ringwald) but can't admit it. Realizes he is "shit", just like Blaine says and that Andie was too good for him. His self image falls apart.

As a result, after high school he drifts and becomes severely depressed.

Sex, Lies and Videotape. [really a great movie if you haven't seen it and it wont be what you expect, rent it] He processes his realization/breakdown in an eccentric way, but then learns something and accepts something about himself by the end of that film. (I'm being vague for those who haven't seen it)

Has a relationship for a while but his problems with intimacy resurface.

(I could mention Crash right here but I didn't like the movie, and it's supposed to be set in the future, but it's yet another extreme of sexual misadventure typical of someone who is a manic sexual-obsessive-compulsive)

Spader's backstory for his character in Secretary could be the history in these previous films.


Example B: Scarlett Johansson

Rebecca, after the end of Ghost World, goes to college, graduates and marries [Giovanni Ribisi]. In Lost In Translation, the girlfriend she calls at the beginning of the movie is Enid. Charlotte's attraction to Bob is slightly influenced by Enid's relationship with Seymour, still feeling abandoned by Enid with whom she still subconsciously harbors a competitive jealousy.

Suddenly she travels back in time where she meets Vermeer... no, wait... that doesn't work, does it.

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[ posted by cecil at 01/02/2004 06:00:01 PM ]
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josh [email] said at 6:03 PM 01-02-2004:
You are a weird dude, dude.
Baby Duck said at 6:19 PM 01-02-2004:
I remember reading this article by a self-annoited femininist who declared Sleeping With The Enemy to be Pretty Woman II. She cited a lot of evidence to back up the whimsical claim. But she also frighteningly used supposed "real world evidence" to state that not only is this the sequel, but all relationships formed like that under Pretty Woman are predestined to end up with the Sleeping With The Enemy horror. But it doesn't stop there! She then tries to extends this to ALL heterosexual relationships where the man has significant wealth/power/status/renown over the woman. Oy!
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    milky [email] said at 6:23 PM 01-02-2004:
    it was the wig connection.
    cecil [email] said at 7:16 PM 01-02-2004:
    ooh, I like that. I haven't seen Mona Lisa's Smile but I imagine it has this "trying to make up for past mistakes with pseudo-feminism but failing miserably" feeling. What she should do next is a remake of The Best Little Whorehouse in Texas.
John Cusack said at 9:14 PM 01-02-2004:
I think one could argue that High Fidelity is a sequel to Say Anything... 'Say Nothing: Lloyd gets bitter'
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    cecil [email] said at 3:25 PM 01-03-2004:
    Say What?
      Michael said at 9:29 PM 01-03-2004:
      Really? Nobody else sees the John Cusack thing?
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        bratpop said at 11:16 PM 01-03-2004:
        No, the thing with Cusack's movies is that he's always in the rain. Twice in Hi-Fi.
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          cecil [email] said at 11:53 PM 01-03-2004:
          Yes! Cusack also get's soaked by rain in Say Anything, The Sure Thing, Being John Malkovich, Pushing Tin, and Identity.
        cecil [email] said at 11:51 PM 01-03-2004:
        No I see it. "Say What" would be the third movie. Where he finds out his dad is Rog from What's Happening.
zack [email] said at 12:17 AM 01-03-2004:
i like this post.. I've actually thought about the James spader thing before.
Baby Duck said at 1:16 AM 01-03-2004:
Scarlett Johansson is a registered time traveler if you consider The Man Who Wasn't There
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neilbert said at 1:52 AM 01-03-2004:
What's scary is that "Mona Lisa's Smile" cost $65 million to make. O.K. even if you gave Julia Roberts $20 million, that still leaves $40 million on a movie that should have cost like $20 million at most. They also spent $25 million on marketing. So now we are pushing almost $100 million on a psuedo chick flick. On another note: Is Julia Roberts even a major star anymore? Like Stallone, she still commands (the highest, for women) a big salary, but does anyone under 25 still relate to her? Granted she's only 34, but I read an article where she said she felt like Elizabeth Montgomery on the set Mona Lisa Smile, referring to her much younger cast members, of which asked "Who's Elizabeth Montgomery?"
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carla [email] said at 4:42 AM 01-03-2004:
I absolutely love Sex, Lies, and Videotape. It probably ranks as one of my favorite movies. A lot of people have never even given it a chance.

This was an interesting post. Me and my sister think about things like this all the time.
    cecil [email] said at 3:28 PM 01-03-2004:
    Bad title, sounds like it's about spy-cam sex, but that couldn't be further from the story.
pokey [email] said at 5:01 AM 01-03-2004:
Mention of carla's sister made me think of this one: Kids --> Trees Lounge --> Gummo --> Party Monster --> Julien Donkey Boy
pokey [email] said at 5:03 AM 01-03-2004:
You know, it's really easy for people who get typecast. Someone do Joe Pesci!!!
kenny said at 12:02 PM 01-03-2004:
hey yeah i kind of thought the same thing about tom cruise in risky business and jerry maguire :D i think it's just because actors tend to be typecast? like fred savage in the princess bride --> rules of attraction!
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    Baby Duck said at 1:40 PM 01-03-2004:
    "The Breakfast Club, Sixteen Candles, Weird Science -- in all these movies you basically play the same character -- the guy who can't get laid" -- a Daily Show interviewer of Anthony Michael Hall
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      pokey [email] said at 4:18 PM 01-03-2004:
      I could totally see Farmer Ted trying to commit suicide in high school, with a flare gun, and then turning to his computer to generate some comfort after being the only one in the breakfast club not to Get Some.
Baby Duck said at 2:04 PM 01-03-2004:
Here's a twist. Philip Seymour Hoffman has a running theme through several of his characters, but I wouldn't say it is the same character. That theme being -- the guy who Goes For It but it blows up in his face.

Boogie Nights: he brazenly kisses Walberg, only to get dissed. Dirk Diggler is diplomatic about it, considering the circumstances, but we then cringe for several minutes as we watch Hoffman beat his own head on a steering wheel crying over and over again "I'm an idiot!"

Happiness: he finally meets his secret admirer in her apartment and sits on the opposite side of a couch from her. He slowly, with excruciating patience, reaches his hand out towards her. The dramatic music makes it seem like it's taking 5 years for his hand to reach her. You're holding your breath, bracing for the impact of a true Hollywood moment. And right when he's one micrometer away, she says "This isn't going to work out" or "We're not right for each other" or something (damn I need to watch that again). No Beauty and the Beast relationship for you!

Patch Adams: In total disbelief of Patch's claims of a photographic memory, he reports to the school administrators that Patch MUST be cheating in medical school to succeed this far. The investigation eventually leads to the blowing off the lid of Patch's unorthodox clinic. Patch eventually wins hearts over, and one day Hoffman must swallow his pride and concede to Patch's brilliance of bedside manner, in order to get his help to get an elderly patient to eat.

Magnolia: Yet another Hollywood-mythos-busting scene. He reunites Tom Cruise with his estranged father on his death bed, hoping they will make amends in their final hour. Instead Cruise damns his father with no holding back. Hoffman becomes shocked and disillusioned. He becomes wracked with guilt knowing the father would have died more peacefully if he hadn't acted at all; mettling in others affairs.

25th Hour: He kisses one of his students, thinking she either might be trying to seduce him or would be an easy win since she's under the influence of ecstasy. She totally freaks out and becomes paralyzed by his audacity instead. When Hoffman leaves the bathroom, exaggerated camera zooms on his shocked face give a sense of the character believing his whole world to be crashing all around him, fearful of the consequences of what he just did.
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    cecil [email] said at 3:24 PM 01-03-2004:
    Oh, I totally disagree with your interpretation of Magnolia. The father just wants to see his son before he dies. He can't because of the morphine but then the frogs wake him up. He gets to see that his son did come to see him and then he dies. They make amends just in the eye contact between them because the wall between them is finally down, just with the look. Cruise: "Don't leave me you fucking asshole", he had to get angry at him first in order to realize that in spite of that he still loves his father. PSH crys just from witnessing the monumental moment. At least that's why I cried.
      zack [email] said at 8:58 PM 01-03-2004:
      yeah!
      Baby Duck said at 11:56 PM 01-05-2004:
      Dang. I had that totally pegged wrong.

      When I first read this, I thought well maybe he just regressed to when he was a little boy. To when he was first abandoned. Crying "don't leave me" would be all a kid could grasp of the situation. So maybe the trauma of it all was making his regress like that, but he still hated the bastard. Sure, the "don't leave" doubled in meaning for "don't die", but still, it was a mental linking of one traumatical link to another. He's being abandoned twice by someone he once loved.

      Since I was at work, I searched for some scripts. The first I came across had the scene written totally different. Cruise was sad and remorseful right on the sight of his ailing father. No hate display at all. I then found a more faithful script, but since the first might have been an earlier draft, I couldn't ignore a writer's intention to have this be a touching scene. So maybe Cecil's right...

      Popped in the DVD tonight. It took a bunch of mental judo, but yes, I agree with your side now. This movie is even more complex than I originally thought. You're right -- it's all in that last eye contact.
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neilbert said at 6:22 PM 01-03-2004:
Baby Duck, you forgot Hoffman's "Owning Mahoney," which he is a Canadian Bank Manager that ends up stealing millions to play and lose in Reno and Vegas.
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reggie [email] said at 9:50 AM 01-04-2004:
After witnessing his football player friend get murdered in a drive-by shooting, Cuba Gooding Jr. goes to small Morehouse college and gets a spot on the team as a walk-on. He goes on to a sparkling career and actually finds his way on to a NFL roster after graduating thanks to the slick skills of his bright young agent Jerry Maguire.

Then there's the unintended spin-off:
Even though when we last left Jerry Maguire he was crazy in love with Dorothy Boyd and her son, he still sucked at intimacy and he and Ms. Boyd split up. Jerry, tired of relationships altogether goes on to become a chauvinistic motivational speaker for men in Magnolia...
    cecil [email] said at 8:54 PM 01-04-2004:
    Before becoming a sports agent, Jerry was in the Risky Business of pimping.
    ...and unbeknownst to everyone, the whole time he was working as a Mission Impossible spy.
    Baby Duck said at 11:36 PM 01-05-2004:
    He sucked at intimacy because of the army of whores in Risky Business.
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