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 amy 
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Rubbers rule!
Whats up with all you women who are too liberated to have babies but not woman enough to tell your manfriends to wear a friggin rubber instead of havin blood run down yer leg for months at a time and your boobs close to explosion?
Rubbers are cheap and low on side effects. Better yet, get your man to have a vasectomy. Stop taking pills, stop wrecking your body and mental health, have regular periods. Hell, if you hate periods so much, have a baby and breastfeed, you'll get at least a two-year hiatus. They are good for something. You guys really worry about the horror of shredded vag when you have constant blood flow, swollen boobs, raging hormones, massive weight gain, and constant crying?
[ posted by amy at 10/06/2005 02:52:37 PM ] [ trackback ]
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 | kara [email] said at 2:57 PM 10-06-2005:
"massive weight gain" = avg 5lbs
Before I got on the pill I was prone to barfing, horrible cramping and other problems due to menstruation.
So for me, the pill was "liberating." |
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| kara [email] said at 2:58 PM 10-06-2005:
however, I understand that everyone is different - so I can only speak for my own experience, as opposed to "challenging" others to do what works for me personally. |
 | meredith [email] said at 3:02 PM 10-06-2005:
Yeah, I had horrible problems that forced me onto B.C. originally too. Personally, I chose to get off because the birth control was causing me problems. But my cramps and all are a lot less now than they were. I think being on birth control for a couple years may have evened some things out for me. |
 | amanda [email] said at 4:08 PM 10-06-2005:
Same here. Without the pill, I am stuck in bed or on a couch for three days a month, occasionally screaming for mercy or running to the bathroom to dry heave. I haven't had any problems with the pill, other than a slight increase in breast size, the 5 lbs. weight gain, and a bit of nausea when I first started taking it. And, even if I were having sex, I would never rely solely upon condoms because I DO NOT WANT A BABY. I do not want a baby, not because I am "liberated," but because I dislike children immensely, do not wish to pass on my faulty genetics, believe in population control, am terribly selfish, etc. Additionally, the type of relationships I tend to have last 6-8 months at most, so I doubt that a vasectomy is really an option.
Kids are not for everyone, Amy. I'm glad that you enjoy motherhood but I would probably be the sort of mother that would drown her children in a car. I look at babies and cringe. I have never once in my life found a baby "cute." They are ugly and wrinkly, and then they cry and I want to stab them or strangle them. I love most other infant members of the Kingdom Animalia, but baby humans are not for me and I will avoid subjecting myself to them at all costs. Taking a hormonal supplement that causes minimal side-effects while also helping relieve my painful periods seems to be what is right for me. |
 | ed [email] said at 2:59 PM 10-06-2005:
Vasectomies rule!
Well, not multiple vasectomies, I'm thinkin'... but as a rule, the procedure is a marvelous way to go bareback without worry.
Then again, I suppose one would need to be monogamous/really picky in order for it to be totally without worry. |
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| meredith [email] said at 2:59 PM 10-06-2005:
Dude, I have no problem with condoms. I love them. That's what I use. I hate birth control and also have no desire for children. Some people have latex allergies or other reasons for not choosing them though. |
 | josh [email] said at 3:02 PM 10-06-2005:
many people, as kara pointed out, take birth control pills to reign in their errant and chaotic body chemistry.
other people simply find that they like to use birth control pills vs (or in conjunction with) other methods, for whatever personal preferences they have.
i really don't understand the confrontational nature of this post. |
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| kara [email] said at 3:02 PM 10-06-2005:
I have actually looked into getting a tubal, but decided not to because I couldn't find any evidence that my problems would cease, and thus, I'd be continuing the pill anyway.
(and yes I found a doctor who would do it) |
 | myriam [email] said at 3:07 PM 10-06-2005:
whatever, the pill is great to me. |
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| kara [email] said at 3:13 PM 10-06-2005:
being oppressed rules, doesn't it? |
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| myriam [email] said at 3:36 PM 10-06-2005:
Yeah! But it's a shame I don't have the freedom to worry about the breaking point of latex. Oh and the freedom to run to the store in the heat of the moment. Oh and that liberating freedom of a 4-day heavy period! I wish my intestines still felt like they were being indian-burned once a month! |
 | zack [email] said at 4:46 PM 10-06-2005:
just keep a drawer full of 'em! |
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| myriam [email] said at 6:28 PM 10-06-2005:
I don't have any drawers big enough for my needs, Zack. |
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| zack [email] said at 8:10 PM 10-06-2005:
WOAH! the multiple innuendo!
8.5! |
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| myriam [email] said at 8:55 PM 10-06-2005:
hehe, yes I was proud of that one. |
 | shauna [email] said at 10:48 AM 10-07-2005:
this made me actually guffaw. hee. |
 | milky [email] said at 3:07 PM 10-06-2005:
Rubber OR have kids? There's gotta be a middle ground. |
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| milky [email] said at 3:08 PM 10-06-2005:
Don't make me get graphic about the prostate. |
 | boudet [email] said at 3:18 PM 10-06-2005:
thank the lord I'm not a woman. |
 | mary [email] said at 3:27 PM 10-06-2005:
I like my patch, personally. The lighter periods, as well as the protection from ovarian cancer.
Also, I don't particularly like having sex with condoms. Being able to go without them is the best thing about monogamy.
Never mind the failure rate on the damn things. |
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| milky [email] said at 3:39 PM 10-06-2005:
Also, I don't particularly like having sex with condoms.
I'm actually glad to hear more women admit this...it's good to know in monogamy. Some women describe condoms as "painful." Not exactly the point of sex. |
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| myriam [email] said at 3:41 PM 10-06-2005:
I thought it was practically a given that condoms blow. I'm honestly surprised that anyone still uses 'em |
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| kara [email] said at 3:44 PM 10-06-2005:
well, I agree with the first sentence, but I aint tryin to get hip to the herp |
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| josh [email] said at 3:45 PM 10-06-2005:
uh, well condoms also prevent such minor inconviences as AIDS and other VDs... could explain their continued use, maybe? |
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| josh [email] said at 3:47 PM 10-06-2005:
also there are people like meredith who above mentions that hormonal birth control doesn't agree with her body. |
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| myriam [email] said at 4:01 PM 10-06-2005:
sorry i guess i should have amended: if they don't have to
anyway frankly, to me the annoyance of condoms outweighs having big boobs, so, yeah, i'm *still* surprised in that case.
anyway, why are we even talking about this? it's all like "no duh" |
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| meredith [email] said at 4:56 PM 10-06-2005:
You have obviously never had to carry around 32 DDDs. |
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| myriam [email] said at 5:09 PM 10-06-2005:
true dat. but i wish i'd been around to carry yours! ha! |
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| zack [email] said at 5:10 PM 10-06-2005:
??? is that what you have? (he asked in a non-sexual way) it doesn't show in the pictures. |
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| meredith [email] said at 5:18 PM 10-06-2005:
No, it's what I had before I got off the birth control. They're back down to respectable 32 Cs now. They were really too big for my frame. One girl I know admitted to me recently that she thought I had gotten them done until they shrank back to normal. |
 | woody [email] said at 6:47 PM 10-06-2005:
I think he is subtlely asking for some "before" pictures... |
 | art [email] said at 7:09 PM 10-06-2005:
bingo |
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| zack [email] said at 7:15 PM 10-06-2005:
hahah, no but I wouldn't turn them down! |
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| mary [email] said at 4:10 PM 10-06-2005:
Oh, I am a big believer in the condom when you're messin' around. |
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| amanda [email] said at 4:16 PM 10-06-2005:
Exactly. But when you are messing around, it's also really nice to not be petrified about what will happen should the condom fail. That's where a hormonal supplement of whatever sort is handy. |
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| ed [email] said at 4:25 PM 10-06-2005:
Being able to go without them is the best thing about monogamy.
That may be the saddest statement ever posted to Killoggs. |
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| mary [email] said at 4:36 PM 10-06-2005:
You and I must be reading a different Web site then. |
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| ed [email] said at 5:17 PM 10-06-2005:
Outrageous, stupid, misinformed, asinine: all of these things are debatable.
Saddest? Nope. You win. Congrats. |
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| zack [email] said at 6:23 PM 10-06-2005:
uhhh, NO? |
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| ed [email] said at 7:15 PM 10-06-2005:
I invite you to opine as to why I am wrong, Zack.
What post/response/statement do you find more sad, and why? |
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| zack [email] said at 7:26 PM 10-06-2005:
There's plenty more sad things on killoggs than mary's stated opinion about rubbers.
I don't have to pick out "sadder statements" to dispute the alleged sadness of hers.
maybe there are cooler things about being monogamous, but that doesn't mean thinking not having to use rubbbers is awesome means mary's statement is objectively "SAD". it's not sad. it's just an opinion. apparently one you not only don't agree with, but think is "sad".
Now, if she said that "the only reason to be monogamous is so you don't have to use condoms", well, maybe that'd be sad. But I think you're just reading into things. |
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| ed [email] said at 7:33 PM 10-06-2005:
All I'm tryin'a say is:
If the BEST thing bout being monogamous is the fact that you don't gotta worry about STDs or pregnancies...
That's sad. Not just sad, but SAD.
SADDEST.
But then, I've seen some of the things about monogamy that make it RULE.
So I feel qualified to have pity. Yeh, that may be presumptuous... but I can only speak from experience. |
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| zack [email] said at 8:09 PM 10-06-2005:
yeah, that's presumptuous.
but whatever floats your boat. |
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| mary [email] said at 8:15 PM 10-06-2005:
I don't see what's so sad about saying being condom-free is the best thing about monogamy, as an abstract state. I didn't say not using condoms was the best thing about being in a serious, loving committed relationship. I didn't say it was the best thing about being in love. I didn't even say it was the best thing about sex (although, I have to say, it makes the sex much, much better.)
Unless you've also had an allergic reaction to a common spermicide used in condoms, you're in no position to judge the value I place on being able to go condom-free.
Until then, you can take your pity and shove it up your ass. I suggest you wrap a condom on it first. |
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| zack [email] said at 8:45 PM 10-06-2005:
there you go! |
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| ed [email] said at 7:37 PM 10-06-2005:
And just so I'm perfectly clear - it wasn't "Mary's stated opinions about rubbers" that I found sad.
It was her statement about "being able to go without (rubbers being) the best thing about monogamy" that I found sad. |
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| myriam [email] said at 7:38 PM 10-06-2005:
horse = dead. |
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| ed [email] said at 7:39 PM 10-06-2005:
Don't make me beat you! |
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| myriam [email] said at 7:44 PM 10-06-2005:
ha ha ha!
That beatin' arm looks mighty well exercised! |
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| ed [email] said at 7:48 PM 10-06-2005:
Actually, my arms are all noodly from doing things about which I have no shame.
Then again, flailing a Jewess Frog Queen to within an inch of her life would give me no shame, either... |
 | amy [email] said at 8:11 PM 10-06-2005:
Ed's monogamy posts get more to the heart of my actual sentiment than I did. Its not ok to be "norman rockwell", not ok to love your family, or thank your mother for gving birth to you, not ok to think being married is the bee's knees, or that babies are wonderful, or to be optimistic instead of cynical. I guess I am just not cool enough to be on klogs bc I am monogamous and with child. If you are female and chose to follow the conventional path "GASP!" of bearing young then you are accused of doing the thing "that is so not the thing to do in 2005". Strangely though none of the males with child are ever ridiculed or accused of being internet goons. Their path is not questioned. And where are the other women on this thing who DO want children. I guess they would be outed as too uncool for klogs as well. I would never EVER try to convince any of you ladies to do something you don't want to do. That's why it was so ironic to me that so many were complaining of hormonal birth control methods which are traditionally often forced upon a woman because her significant other or others does not want to wear a condom. I was merely pointing out the ironic contradictions in being too liberated to have kids but too much of a pushover to demand condoms to spare yourself the horrors of meds.
In the end, this is all just some really poorly written 80's movie about twentysomething friends and growing up. For the record, growing up does not equal married with kids, it equals being happy with your decisions. Unfortunately not too many people here are grown up which leads to long rants about shredded vag, vegetarianism, and the definition of independent.
but fortunately i just come here for shits and grins and because yes, i am bored at home with the kids. so rude bitches who declare motherhood a sham and go on and on about how vile children are, thank you for giving me so much motivation to find something better to do with my time. |
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| mary [email] said at 8:18 PM 10-06-2005:
Not everyone who is using birth control doesn't want kids, though. I want them. Just can't have them now. That makes a vasectomy for my partner not a viable option. |
 | jake [email] said at 10:58 PM 10-09-2005:
I know I'm late to the party but as long as you brought it up, I'd pay to for your current partner's vasectomy. Or castration. Or penisectomy. Or fingerectomy, even. |
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| myriam [email] said at 8:29 PM 10-06-2005:
What does saying "rubbers rule!" have to do with the joys of being married and having kids?! If that was your point, I honestly don't understand the connection. And I'm kind of pissed that you didn't come right out and say that, because I would have been happy to jump in as the optimist I am and be all positive about it, instead of having to read more jingoist killoggs sentiments.
So, for the record:
Despite loving birth control at this point in my life (age 24 and beginning a career and DEAD BROKE and with, *ahem*, a lack of a man with whom I want to mingle my genes), I do want to get married eventually, I think marriage is an essential outward social contract, I would LOVE to feel like I've met the kind of person I want to make that commitment to, and I can't wait to have my three little architect boys.
Meanwhile, condoms, the title subject of your post, suck. |
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| myriam [email] said at 8:30 PM 10-06-2005:
Also, I fail to see how someone who very respectfully states her opinion as to how she personally doesn't like children, within the context of your post on birth control, somehow is a "rude bitch" for holding that opinion.
Just like you love being a married mother, some women don't. The only bitches are those that behave that way, and I haven't seen anyone in this thread do that, except maybe Ed. |
john. said at 8:36 PM 10-06-2005:
I also have not found a woman worthy enough to want to mix genes with. |
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| kara [email] said at 9:11 PM 10-06-2005:
Ah yes, this is what I just said, before reading this. I agree |
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| ed [email] said at 9:21 PM 10-06-2005:
If I could follow this to the point where I could understand being called out, which I cannot, I might be insulted.
I'm a bitch who does (or doesn't) behave as if I love being a married mother? Please explain, because I am totally confused. And I'm not being ironic, sarcastic, or obtuse. I'm just seriously confused.
Thanks. |
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| amy [email] said at 9:59 AM 10-07-2005:
no, ed. i love me some ed. i was without your permission pulling you into my uncool club of ppl who liked monogamy, marriage, etc. i just don't think i have the balls to be in this club. i know i'm not thoroughly liked by many ppl but i'm usually too afraid to show my face for them to remember to say it. |
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| myriam [email] said at 8:38 PM 10-06-2005:
You're berating the women on here for not being joyful about marriage and kids, but you didn't create any kind of context for comments like that. Instead you created a posting forum for people to debate condoms, ie, BIRTH CONTROL, ie USED BY PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANT CHILDREN. I have no idea how you expected to hear people chime in about the joys of marriage and children in a post like that. If you want to hear that, why don't you post more pics of your own kids? As a matter of fact, every time you do, a ton of us who DO love kids chime in and go on and on about them. And you always get comments of people asking for more pics. We've only seen a couple pics of your newest little one, btw.
So, I'm glad you love your kids. If you start a post off positively about them, like you often do, yay, I for one will be happy to chime in with positive responses. |
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| amy [email] said at 8:49 PM 10-06-2005:
sorry myriam, this entire post was the product of other recent posts that i did not kick the bitch asses of earlier instead of letting the anger get pent up and hurl forth at the whining of bleeding vag.
i did not mean to insinuate in the least that women who did not want kids now or ever were bitches. i merely meant to state my hostility towards those who would openly ridicule me for my choice bc i am uncool.
i am also much older, biological clock speaking, than most women on this site, at the shredded vag age of 30. So i don't expect very many of you to be anywhere near ready yet. |
 | jess [email] said at 8:59 PM 10-06-2005:
I'm 26. I support your choice to be a mom, just as I'd expect you to support mine not to be.
If you're referring to Kara's post - I actually don't think hormonal BC had much to do with what happened to her, and it's very possible that bleeding that profusely could be the sign of something really wrong. I totally understand why she was worried. |
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| myriam [email] said at 9:50 PM 10-06-2005:
ahh well, I understand. You *are* in the minority here, randomly, because killoggs is a very strange section of society. But, really, I would be very happy to talk about your kids, and the decisions you've made, because you could be a guide to those of us on here that *do* want the kind of life you have. I always appreciated your perspective in the LC, for example. I'm sorry you felt the need to vent. Maybe we can make another post at another time to discuss some more positive aspects of marriage and motherhood. And anyone not interested will probably just stay away. |
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| josh [email] said at 8:40 AM 10-07-2005:
this entire post was the product of other recent posts that i did not kick the bitch asses of earlier instead of letting the anger get pent up and hurl forth at the whining of bleeding vag.
this is pretty fucking crappy.
kara posted about an issue she is having with her current birth control pill, that was giving her problems.
you don't know shit about kara, and for you to say her posting about her situation was whining, or to say it was causing you to have "pent up anger" or call her a bitch ass, well that's just sad.
if this truly was the whole reason you crafted this post, just as a attack on kara for having the GALL to talk about a problem she is having... well, honestly, i'm flabbergasted at your presumptiveness.
you don't know if she has physiological problems which pre-pill may have made her cycle hugely problematic and painful if unregulated, and that in general may have been helped by being on the pill, regardless of it's use for birth control. you don't know anything about her, yet you come out and call her a whiner? way to be positive and helpful!
you are talking about how you aren't cool and cynical enough to be on killoggs? well, i think that mocking and berating someone for posting about (and asking for advice on) a scary medical situation that is worrying them is WAY BEYOND the cynical cool level here, so congratulations, you've finally out-done us all.
also, who "openly ridiculed you for your choice"? i read the recent posts, i saw none of that. certainly not on the part of the people you addressed this post to, the ladies. i think you are, quiet simply inferring something that isn't there. i really doubt anyone on the previous threads had even thought about you or situation, much less expressed hostility towards you.
relax and stop acting like a jerk. |
 | dave [email] said at 9:07 AM 10-07-2005:
oh snap! |
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| amy [email] said at 9:55 AM 10-07-2005:
outdone you all? really? i thought my post was kinda pathetic in its virility.
i'll repeat, "shredded vag", "so not the thing to do in 2005", and most recently goon. anyway, if you think i'm being histrionic, ban me. |
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| kara [email] said at 10:00 AM 10-07-2005:
you shouldn't get banned for being histrionic, but you should get banned for getting offended by "so not the thing to do in 2005" |
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| amy [email] said at 10:04 AM 10-07-2005:
ok |
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| josh [email] said at 1:12 PM 10-07-2005:
you weren't being histrionic, you were being a jerk. |
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| josh [email] said at 3:39 PM 10-07-2005:
i'll repeat, "shredded vag", "so not the thing to do in 2005", and most recently goon.
You know what? I just did some searches and, interestingly, EVERY SINGLE ONE of these comments - the ones that apparently caused you to write this screed - were said to you by Abby. Abby, by the way, who isn't on birth control and indeed uses rubbers. |
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| zack [email] said at 5:46 PM 10-07-2005:
and only one of them was directed at amy, after amy went on this tear (no pun intended).
the other comments were about blown out vadges in general. |
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| kara [email] said at 9:10 PM 10-06-2005:
I don't think anyone here has ever criticized your decision to have children.
I hate to break it to you, but society at large is very pleased with your decision - I have been criticized for mine all of my life.
Just because Amanda and I express our desire not to have children, and we don't like children, doesn't mean you have to take it personally as if we are attacking you.
People have said horrible things to me about my lack of motherly instinct. I think it is your own assumption that there is some rule we have about what it is "cool" for OTHER people to do in regards to a decision as big as motherhood.
I'm sorry - I don't like babies. But someone has to, and that someone is you. Be proud that you're cut out for the job, but don't be so defensive. |
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| myriam [email] said at 9:16 PM 10-06-2005:
This is very well-put. |
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| milky [email] said at 9:28 PM 10-06-2005:
I'ma speak up, just for my sake:
Where do YOU get off? You had a kid and your way to deal with it was swallow a bottle of Xanax. Who were you thinking of then? Check yourself before you disrespect my friends here with broad statements. They're ALL cool and good people who are really HONEST with themselves and the rest of us. |
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| amy [email] said at 10:07 AM 10-07-2005:
it was 5 lexapro, and i'm bp, wasnt about the kid at all, it was just about time. if being mental is grounds for infertility then nobody would have kids, which might be amanda's point. |
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| milky [email] said at 11:00 AM 10-07-2005:
BP is the new excuse du jour, Amy. |
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| shauna [email] said at 4:04 PM 10-07-2005:
that ain't cool, dude. |
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| milky [email] said at 6:43 PM 10-07-2005:
It's because doctors are tossing the diagnosis around like candy. I don't buy that suddenly, ALL of these people are bipolar, like the ADHD thing.
Some yes, but if you looked at the incidence rates even here, you'd think something was in the water. These diagnoses are done in about 1-2 hours. You'd need 3 time that to do a true tentative diagnosis, if you were _really_ doing it the best you could. |
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| amy [email] said at 7:41 PM 10-07-2005:
and i've been bp since i was five. it wasnt an excuse anyway, its a fact. i took pills bc i was depressed bc i have a chemical malfunction, who cares what you call it. being fucked sometimes doesnt make me unfit for motherhood, not getting help would. btw, just cuz you are studying to be i dont know what, dont use your stats, or office bias on me. i am me. also dont pretend that you are not fucked and i knpow u want kids. |
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| milky [email] said at 9:24 PM 10-09-2005:
I don't have an office bias. I don't even work in an office.
I think it's been more than public knowledge I want kids.
And BP at 5 wasn't what happened, it was what happened TO you. That's not biochemical. That's people who will remain unnamed fucking you up and you gotta let that go, no matter how much it hurts. Cause FUCK them, you know? They'll get theirs one day and it ain't gonna be pretty. |
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| shauna [email] said at 12:48 PM 10-08-2005:
just skeert cuz that's my diagnosis. and i ain't too happy 'bout it. but it seems about right... i trust my doc. been with him for years. |
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| milky [email] said at 9:22 PM 10-09-2005:
I was once given the BP diagnosis. The more I study it, the more it seems too convenient. I actually think it's a alot simpler than that. A cluster of two diagnoses or so.
Having said that, if the medication works, then the diagnosis is irrelevant in my book. |
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| meredith [email] said at 11:02 PM 10-06-2005:
Amy, I respect the fact that you have children. I admire you for it. I am not strong enough for that at the moment, nor do I know if I ever will be.
There are a few things you need to bear in mind before spewing your vitriol out on us:
1. A lot of us are from small rural towns and we have been defending our decision NOT to settle down and have a family for a long time now.
2. I don't recall anyone saying that you are uncool for being a mother. Whenever you post pictures of your kids I believe everyone showers them with (sincere) praise on how gorgeous they are. We're discussing condoms vs. birth control here, or at least we were earlier.
3. You had a rather extreme reaction to Kara saying that she thought condoms sucked and someone else agreeing to her. As far as I can tell that's the reason you created this post to begin with.
4. I think most of the people on Killoggs have made decisions based on their personal needs. Whenever anyone has a large question, we usually ask each other. Sad that may be, or maybe not. I'm not debating that right now. I think you can find a post about me considering vegetarianism if you look back far enough.
Basically I don't understand why you are so angry at us. And I don't understand why you think we accused you of being uncool. We are dry and sarcastic, yes, that is the nature of the beast. But I don't think any personal insult to you or your children was intended. |
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| josh [email] said at 8:19 AM 10-07-2005:
Again, just like the vegetarianism attack posts, the way you structured your original post was antagonistic, and if you start from a point of antagonism, you will recieve it back more often than not - that said, i don't think you did recieve too much antagonism back.. not as much as you think you did. |
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| amy [email] said at 9:45 AM 10-07-2005:
i'm not angry with anyone other than "goon", "shredded vag", and "so not the thing to do in 2005". otherwise i think i have had the best conversation with the ladies about babies/moms/lifestyle that has ever come up. i am sorry if i offended any other parties bc i do really like most of the girls here. sometimes u need a little antagonism to get past the offhanded canned responses. |
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| kara [email] said at 9:56 AM 10-07-2005:
""so not the thing to do in 2005". "
yeah, because I'm sure that was said in 100% seriousness.
And it matters a lot that other people think its "cool" for you to have a kid anyway? |
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| amy [email] said at 3:05 PM 10-07-2005:
if i needed to be "cool" on killoggs i would pretend i was single and childless. the aforementioned offensive phrases were spouted in response to me posting my son's ultrasound, so in that context, i took the remark as a direct insult, as well as all the talk of repulsive vagina and that any old ho can have a baby.
my original post wasn't even directly towards you or i would have just said it in a response in your post. it was an open message, i did not mean to belittle your medical issues as i am sure you never meant to belittle my happiness by saying you didnt want kids. |
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| josh [email] said at 3:35 PM 10-07-2005:
the aforementioned offensive phrases were spouted in response to me posting my son's ultrasound
i just looked at that post (which was from JULY!) and saw none of those offensive phrase that you are referring to. the worst things on that post are people making fun of the name morrissey.
IN FACT, I just reviewed all of your posts since June and no one said anything resembling those "offensive phrases" to you on ANY OF THEM. Even on the post where you posted pictures of your placenta, which was kind of a shock, everyone was pretty congralutory and supportive, from what I read (except for the Morrissey name issue). Sooooo.... why are you all up in arms again?
my original post wasn't even directly towards you or i would have just said it in a response in your post. it was an open message
...an open message that directly referenced kara's medical problem that she posted about a day earlier. how in the world could people think you were referring to her!? |
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| amy [email] said at 3:10 PM 10-07-2005:
sorry you don't get "pent up". the antagonism to which i am venting goes back months to the ultrasound post. i dont think ultrasound posts are meant to be anatagonistic but i got it in spades. so the next post i asked directly for those ppl i offend with my ovaries not to reply. anyway, you are not supposed to be able to post anything on here with immunity to the pain, right? or its ok when its done to me but not to seemingly kara (which it wasnt)? |
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| kara [email] said at 3:38 PM 10-07-2005:
you didn't offend anyone with your ovaries, you offended them by not making any sense |
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| josh [email] said at 3:41 PM 10-07-2005:
"the antagonism to which i am venting goes back months to the ultrasound post."
again, go look at that post! the only thing people were SLIGHTLY aggro about was the name choice, and people's reaction to that was "this guy is gonna get picked on"... EVERY other comment is "congratz" or "we is gonna be cute like flan!" etc. |
 | reggie [email] said at 9:51 PM 10-06-2005:
Okay, what big brother Ed is trying to say is that hopefully the monogamous relationship is so fulfilling that having rubberless relations should be just a perk and NOT the highlight of said relationship.
Now, horse=dead. |
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| myriam [email] said at 9:54 PM 10-06-2005:
reggie WE KNOW THAT.
sorry to be harsh, love. |
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| reggie [email] said at 10:28 PM 10-06-2005:
Nobody said it. I'm late to the game, I've been away from Killoggs all day gimme a break sweetie. |
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| mary [email] said at 10:24 PM 10-06-2005:
The relationship might very well be blissfully fulfilling, but I was discussing monogamy as a practice.
I mean, one could have a wonderful relationship that was NOT monogamous (where is Shauna when I need her ...), and no matter how connected your souls might be, you'd still be safer if you kept some latex between your other parts. |
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| shauna [email] said at 11:09 AM 10-07-2005:
as kara said, i ain't tryin to get hip to the herp. safe sex can be hot, too. a lot of the crap i hate bout condoms would also be allieviated if i took the time and effort to get with the lube correctly. believe me, the rubber bummer feeling fades quickly when someone's coming after you wearing latex gloves. if everyone'e got their gear on, you can do a lot more without worry.
which leads me to the subject of dental dams and condoms for bjs. in the 90s, when that "AIDS" thing or whatever was still around, that was expected, at least in the gay community. now you suggest that and people look at you like "i'm not dirty!"
dunno. i actually do know my partners pretty well. now i'm rambling. but yeah, safety first. |
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| zack [email] said at 11:11 PM 10-06-2005:
really?!?!?!?!?!
WOAH. |
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| reggie [email] said at 11:21 PM 10-06-2005:
I'm late to the game, I've been away from Killoggs all day gimme a break.
Sweetie. |
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| reggie [email] said at 11:22 PM 10-06-2005:
Oops, forgot to close tags... |
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| zack [email] said at 11:28 PM 10-06-2005:
lol. |
 | denman [email] said at 3:51 PM 10-06-2005:
Anytime I'm using a condom it's good news. |
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| myriam [email] said at 4:12 PM 10-06-2005:
ha! Are you Cecil in disguise? |
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| ed [email] said at 4:25 PM 10-06-2005:
Seriously! |
 | cecil [email] said at 5:49 PM 10-06-2005:
Hey, did you check your voicemail of me asking for my schtick back?
*AHEM* I wasn't going to comment on this post because I don't really remember what I prefer.
thank you, goodnight! |
 | craig [email] said at 4:44 PM 10-06-2005:
do we always have to talk about u? lol jk |
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| meredith [email] said at 4:54 PM 10-06-2005:
Seriously what's with all the ... jingoism for lack of a better work on Killoggs lately. Vegetarianism. Condoms. It's all personal choice. |
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| meredith [email] said at 4:55 PM 10-06-2005:
word. word. not work. |
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| myriam [email] said at 5:11 PM 10-06-2005:
yep! happily so! |
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| denman [email] said at 5:29 PM 10-06-2005:
OKay, I don't want a reponse I just want to say that animals don't have a choice. |
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| amanda [email] said at 5:37 PM 10-06-2005:
And plants do have a choice? Why are animals more important than plants? I've never gotten a straight answer from a vegan or vegetarian on that question. Apparently they don't count because they don't bleed. |
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| kara [email] said at 5:38 PM 10-06-2005:
they could choose to evolve back up the food chain bruuh |
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| josh [email] said at 5:39 PM 10-06-2005:
This is why we should all campaign for abortion rights for animals. |
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| art [email] said at 7:08 PM 10-06-2005:
No they don't have a choice. Deer are sterilized by do-gooders rather than let nature take its course. |
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| josh [email] said at 4:55 PM 10-06-2005:
believe in what i believe in or i'll punch you innaaaa faccceceeeee!!!!!! |
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| dave [email] said at 5:09 PM 10-06-2005:
i irradiate my nuts in front of a convection oven. it worked for about 5 or 6 years, then boom twins!
after this though i plan on getting the ol' snip snip. |
H. Pommefrittes said at 5:44 PM 10-06-2005:
Condoms do indeed rule. Dating back to 1200 B.C. Egypt, that's not just a prophylactic on your cock, but the entire history of Western Civilization itself. |
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| myriam [email] said at 5:46 PM 10-06-2005:
You should date Rick. |
 | peter [email] said at 5:55 PM 10-06-2005:
You're all overlooking the obvious anal solution. | |
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