Yes, I look at pornography. I have rented videos from an establishment that rents non-pornographic materials as well as the ADULT kind. I have waited in line with families, single women, couples, movie enthusiasts of all kinds, there with pornography in my slippery hand while mulling over justifications to appease my self-consciousness, that I am not embarrassed--in fact proud--that Big Butt Lovers 1 and 2 were enjoyable enough that, yes, I am now giving the conclusion to the trilogy its due. Who isn't proud to be an assman? Who rents the 8 HOURS OF ALL ROBOTIC MISSIONARY dvds anyway? And what could be a greater clarification of my superficially inconclusive sexuality then renting not just one but two selections from the must-be-over-18-to-enter room? My second choice from the interracial genre (usually defined as black men and white women), says about me that I'm not only straight and proud, but I am an equal opportunity masturbator (yes, to be clear, masturbation does occur during a viewing of pornography. I have a fold out plastic lawn-chair dedicated to the event--a head's-up if you are ever scavenging for extra seating at my house) and can watch black cock without insecurity or prejudice whatsoever. Correction: to be frank, I do expect more from the Brotha's videos, not exclusively with respect to size, but white porn actors can be so predictable and uninspired. They cycle through their blocking as if trying to rush through a 20 minute lunch-break workout at the gym using the same rigorous routine they've performed a thousand times over. In my opinion there is a genuine enthusiasm expressed by African-American actors that the average porn cracker lacks. For one thing, black men do not force themselves into an awkward diagonal entry for the camera's sake, they are direct, 100% method, they are present with the booty and the authenticity comes across, quite literally.
But I'm addressing the internet here so I have to include in the discussion the wonderful world of downloadable pics, thumbs, stills. Next time you are on your friend's computer, just do a quick file search for the ol' .JPG file extension and you are bound to come up with no less than 1000 items found and there's a good chance that 90% of those are pornography. You can look at a guy's underwear, his diary, his high school yearbook autographs, you can interview his mother, but nothing will tell you more about the essential man than a comprehensive exhibition of the collection of images he has chosen to option-click onto his hard drive for repeated future viewings, viral risks be damned. I would certainly be humiliated beyond compare if my well-hidden archive were ever to be discovered. On the other hand, it is my dream to marry the woman who would take up the task as a primer, and conclude with a wink and a no-nonsense nod, "Gotcha." For who could I expect to share my life with if not someone to whom I can openly reveal my darkest, albeit 50% gray at darkest, perversions. Pornography is the true barometer of the soul. I'll admit to what one would NOT find in my collection in terms of scenarios or categories: outdoor, nurse, kitchen, hitchhiker, children or the underdeveloped adult appearance thereof, "milf, mature" et al, bestiality, scatological, and women who's skin color is as tan or darker than mine--make of that what you will, this is part of my sexual thumbprint over which I have no willful control. I reveal this personal information as an example with a purely psychological scientific interest in mind. The pornographic images I or anyone has saved when compared with the infinite variety available, could be analyzed and profiled in a Myers-Briggs style 4 category description from the pornographic binaries of: Internal-External, Story-Action, Dominant-Submissive, Ridiculous-Sublime. Give me access to your pornographic archive and with my exclusive lawn-chair testing method I will tell you what your sexual personality is. We may find you to be a ISDR, in which case we can set you up to meet with a compatible EASS. [just $49.99 plus a private room in your house with meals included for a period of 3 weeks. Participants agree that some discovered data may result in criminal charges or additional fees.]
As I have learned about myself, there's a good chance that you too are quite average and normal if not a bit obsessively fetishistic in certain areas, but who isn't? There is nothing to be ashamed of were one not made to feel ashamed by the piercing judgmental gaze of others and the telepathic powers they pretend not to have. What's important to me personally about pornography is not its involvement in getting me off--a mere side effect for the sexually advanced intellectual--but how it can assist in the process of self-discovery and self-acceptance, while more necessary and productive tasks in life like socializing, reading, housework, paying bills and showering can be put off until the next day.
cecil [email] said at 2:13 AM 06-06-2005: you know, something about hospitals and sickness associations, it just doesn't work for me. I'd actually be more interested in surgical scrubs than that crap with the white hat and all...
kiche [email] said at 10:34 PM 06-05-2005: last week i went to the prestigious sunshine theater on houston street where all cinemaphiles can truly appreciate film as art to catch a midnight showing of "hot skin 3d".
cecil [email] said at 2:10 AM 06-06-2005: U R such a LIAR, your name should be LIAR KALIAR. You did the Clockwork Orange thing to me with porn and made me the monster I am today.
brandonA [email] said at 3:34 PM 06-06-2005: Irony here for me is that one of the two times I've ever rented porn was with a girlfriend and it was an homage entitled 'A Clockwork Orgy'.
gen [email] said at 10:20 AM 06-06-2005: In my experience, the porn enjoyed by men and the porn enjoyed by women differ widely. I have yet to find porn that will be clever enough that I won't find myself turned off and annoyed by how ridiculous the scenario is, or angered by the treatment or portrayal of women. We need more porn by women for women, and I don't mean lesbian porn, or porn made by former female porn stars - female porn stars have mostly lost touch with what other women (i.e. women that haven't spent years being brain-washed by the porn industry) get turned on by, and want/like to watch.
gen [email] said at 12:02 PM 06-06-2005: I'm not sure what you mean by "there's lots of porn made for women by women"... Compared to how much porn is targeted at men, porn made for women by women (excluding the two categories I mentioned earlier) is a tiny fraction of the porn market.
kara [email] said at 12:07 PM 06-06-2005: It IS a tiny fraction. I was just saying that it exists. A tiny fraction of the pornography market is still "lots"
brianbibbly [email] said at 12:09 PM 06-06-2005: What does porn made for women entail? I am really curious about this. What is the approach for porn for women?
kara [email] said at 12:23 PM 06-06-2005: If you really want to know, I can compile a list some time. I get emails about this kind of stuff all the time... don't know how many haven't been expunged yet.
My logic with pornography is that if there is a pre-existing market for it, it exists.
kt said at 12:20 PM 06-06-2005: from what i've seen, it involves an overdependence on a poorly written plot involving "romance", and the photography is slightly different in that it shows less generic "hardcore" shots (in & out, in & out, boy, those ass cheeks are bouncing), and more ... girly crap. sensual touching. faces contorted in ecstasy. the kind of shit you see on showtime late at night. and ... not a lot of anal or gangbang proclivities. lots of lez, though.
gen [email] said at 5:58 PM 06-06-2005: Yes. That's precisely why I think we need more, better porn by women for women, porn from a woman's point of view. Take for example the scene in Out of Sight when Lopez is spying on Clooney taking a bath - it's not porn, but it's shot from a woman's point of view. Give us fewer close-ups of women's siliconed breasts and ass and vagina, and more shots of the male body, all of it - women generally don't get turned on looking at silicone breasts the way men do. I think porn by women for women should feature women in more actice, power-yielding, dominating roles, rather than as the hole getting the shit fucked out of it (whatever the hole may be). And forget violence to women - if not the last, it's certainly not the first thing most of us want to see when watching porn.
josh [email] said at 6:12 PM 06-06-2005: My point is: Everything you mention in your response exists, it's just that the "very good" aspect isn't there.
And why is that?
Answer: because people with refined tastes AND talent (in general) don't want to get labelled as pornographers.
The result: "refined" (or whatever you wish to call it) porn gets made by people who don't have the talent to do other things.
People with cinematic talent that don't care if they get labelled pornographers probably don't have the desire to make the kind of porn you are looking for.
gen [email] said at 6:23 PM 06-06-2005: And I agree. It's a shame that so little good porn gets made, and there's room for improvement. And you've speculated about the stigma and label of pornographer hindering work in this area and the progress of the genre, but I'm not so pessimistic as to say that improvement won't happen, precisely because there is a market for it. That's all I'm saying.
gen [email] said at 7:01 PM 06-06-2005: It looks like I have my work cut out for me - certainly an unexpected career twist. I'll write and direct, who wants to star? ;-)
gen [email] said at 6:10 PM 06-06-2005: And actually, that's not at all what Ed and kt said. They talked of romantic, sappy shit with fewer "hardcore" shots.
gen [email] said at 6:12 PM 06-06-2005: OK, gay men too are into porn that objectifies men. Still, there's a big difference between what gay men and straight women look for in porn.
kara [email] said at 6:22 PM 06-06-2005: furthermore, fuck it.
can't people get turned on and gratify themselves on their own without having to involve capitalism?
I always laugh at how the marketing of sex toys for women acts like buying a vibrator is such a liberating act. Whats so liberating about consumerism?
I download porn and stuff, but I am just looking at it from another perspective...
In America, you feel marginalized if your demographic isn't marketed to.
Are droves of women really sexually frustrated due to lack of pornography to spend their money on?
gen [email] said at 6:51 PM 06-06-2005: can't people get turned on and gratify themselves on their own without having to involve capitalism?Women everywhere have been doing this for a long time. And why should they? Why should the fight against capitalism start in the boudoir? You seem to be arbitrarily drawing the line there, but why?
I don't think it's a question of a product being marketed to a different demographic (like marketing women's bras to men e.g. around Valentine's Day), rather it's producing a different product (women's porn) for a different market (women). We've just expanded on how different women's porn is from men's porn.
Are droves of women really sexually frustrated due to lack of pornography to spend their money on? What do the market surveys show? If the need/want is there, why not address it? And I think the need is there. For example, female sexual dysfunction is a prevalent issue these days, and women's porn and sex toys are probably be of some benefit to some women.
rick [email] said at 6:31 PM 06-06-2005: There is a magazine called "Sweet Action," in which men are the object. I am pretty sure the publishers are women as well.
myriam [email] said at 6:55 PM 06-07-2005: I've always thought the scene in Ghost is one of the hottest I've watched (but I've only seen the first 5 minutes of "Space Virgins" and that was enough for me). I agree with you Gen, these things need to be more girl-centric. I mean from the point of view of a girl. Or at least HOTT. Hmm. That Ghost scene really *is* delicious. Mmmmmmmmmm.
myriam [email] said at 6:57 PM 06-07-2005: And I hate Demi Moore so that's saying a lot. Girls need to be able to imagine themselves in porn, actually touching that guy, and suprisingly not every girl can imagine herself with fake boobs laying back on a haybale (or car hood... or operating room table... or desk...) and just letting herself get fucked and pretending to enjoy it. UGH.
kt said at 12:16 PM 06-06-2005: i don't like porn made for women.
part of the reason i watch porn is to see what the men are so excited about. part of the thrill for me is that there's some level of voyeurism into the male psyche. maybe not the psyche of the man whose computer porn collection you're raiding, but at the very least the psyche of the director or webmaster. the more ridiculous, the better. the more objectifying, the better. the more exclamation points and misspellings on the site or in the blurb, the better.
this is also to say that i'm really, REALLY dirty sometimes, and the "made for women" porn is way too soft and easy for me. i like my porn extreme.
cecil [email] said at 1:04 PM 06-06-2005: Porn is always awful, always boring, sometimes funny, often disturbing. The only time it ever becomes "good" to me it has to do with the actors seeming like they are not acting. Maybe they're just fooling me, maybe some people naturally seem like they're acting when they're having sex, but the only time i've ever thought a scene was "good" was when both parties seemed actually psycologically into it.
My advice to pornographers is get two great looking actors to spend a lot of time together to see if they have chemistry, let them develop that chemistry off camera. Maybe women would want to see that in a sort of reality show format? But personally I'd just consider it actor research, then you shoot them fucking and the chemistry should come across and there's no need to fluff it up with story. Porn and Story are like oil and water.
kara [email] said at 1:06 PM 06-06-2005: the thing is, I don't even give a fuck about porn movies and stuff... all I really need is to see like 3 pictures and I'm set.. why waste time watching a whole movie
milky [email] said at 3:02 PM 06-06-2005: My advice to pornographers is get two great looking actors to spend a lot of time together to see if they have chemistry, let them develop that chemistry off camera.
Some starlets have contracts like that, they'll only work with their boyfriend/lover.
brianbibbly [email] said at 4:16 PM 06-06-2005: Fuck that. Give me the gonzo stuff. No plot, no fast forwarding. Just sex. Keep the other stuff. If I want a plot, I'll watch a real movie.
cecil [email] said at 5:05 PM 06-06-2005: Betty Blue is a good example of a real movie that starts with an amazing sex scene and THEN gets on with the story. If there's going to be a story in porn then it should happen in that sequence.
cecil [email] said at 5:19 PM 06-06-2005: I couldn't pay attention to Last Tango in Paris because the whole time I was wondering when the butter scene was going to happen. I have no idea what it was about.
brandon [email] said at 6:39 PM 06-06-2005: Normally this would be a post that I would respond to frequently.
But, really all that need be said, Brian said, so I'll quote it, as it ought to be repeated:
"...brianbibbly
Fuck that. Give me the gonzo stuff. No plot, no fast forwarding. Just sex. Keep the other stuff. If I want a plot, I'll watch a real movie."
This, is all that needs to be said about porn. Everything else is dandyism and footnotes.
brandon [email] said at 7:41 PM 06-06-2005: What's given you reason to believe tits fuck pussy cock-eating hen that I'm anything but a cock with tourettes?
cecil [email] said at 7:58 PM 06-06-2005: Hm. I've been scouring your posts for an example but I have to admit I'm stumped. I suppose it's as Frodo felt about Golem, "I have to believe he can come back."
brandon [email] said at 8:06 PM 06-06-2005: Am I detecting hostility? I'm kind of hungover right now, so my reading comprehension skills are low - have I offended thee? What was my sin? I apologize if I have said something upsetting.
cecil [email] said at 8:16 PM 06-06-2005: "Everything else is dandyism..." ...that I wrote in MY post about porn, about which I find a good deal of interest to jerk... er, to talk about.
But no, seriously, I never take anything you say personally, I just took it as an invitation to spar.
brandon [email] said at 8:21 PM 06-06-2005: Oh, ok, honestly, and I hope this doesn't hurt your feelings: I didn't actually read your post. I just skimmed the responses because I figured with a title like that there would be some non sequitur, and righteous tidbits.
I'm kind of disappointed by the lack of screechy polemic. But basically, what Brian said sums up every thought I have about porn in general and wasn't a reaction to anything you wrote. OK, I'm going back to zoophile.com now.
brandon [email] said at 8:33 PM 06-06-2005: I'm such a fucking pussy when I'm tired. Anyway, no, I don't take anything personally - I just didn't want you to think that I was being maliciously or deliberately rude. I pretty much thrive on a diet of foot. And now, look, I've ruined what could have been a real first-rate repartee.
I'm a tool. Last night I had a dream that I discovered an alternative etymology for the word "tool." I wish I could remember it.
cecil [email] said at 8:34 PM 06-06-2005: haha, READ it, ass. ah, whatever, I don't read your posts that don't have pictures either. Rather, I read them up to the word I don't understand and then I stop. All this chatter in responses pretty much has nothing to do with my post anyway. we all just like to see our own words on the internet.
brandon [email] said at 3:32 AM 11-09-2005: Man, I miss this guy. If we hung out, I'd be that annoying guy that's always... touching you... and giving you weird looks.
"What?" You'd say.
"Nothing." I'd reply. Holding your gaze more than is acceptable.
Which is exactly what you'd say the night you find me staring at you while you sleep. No, I can imagine you throwing the sheets from your bed, half arrising in angry defiance and violation. But, I'd be upon you. And your resistance would be naught. I'd pin your arms behind your head and lock eyes with you. And then, you'd know, you'd come to an understanding. I'd feel your resistance sap.
And then the gay ass-fucking would commence
YEEEE HAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWW!
GAAAAAAAAAAY
ASSSSSSSSSSS
FUCKINNGGGGG
Afterwards, as we both leaked from all kinds of holes, including ones we made:
KeroseneHeart [ url ] said at 3:08 AM 11-09-2005: I watched a few pornographies once... I was really hoping I'd like them. Alas, they only made me laugh. I tried, however, to walk away from this on a positive note-- as anything that brings a smile to your face from amusement should be a good thing. Of course there is nothing to be ashamed of... except when your little friend has malfunctions with your new girlfriend cause you've spent the last few months relentlessly jacking off to porn every night.
KeroseneHeart [ url ] said at 3:18 AM 11-09-2005: PS: I wanted to share these song lyrics:
"Better Than Porn"
I'm lonely again
remembering
when you were mine.
I'm horny again
here with my hand
I hope you don't mind.
I'm so excited to be alone with you...
and I've invited my imaginary friends too.
So get close to me baby you won't be bored. I swear--
it's better than porn.
I'm stupid with zen
doin nothin
but having good times.
But God damn,
I know we're only friends,
but why the hell can't you just be mine?
I'm uninvited
but I feel so amused
because tonight is
the anniversary of when you
first said no to me
look how far we've come along,
I swear--
It's better than porn.
We can talk about the weather if
you want to turn around
there's nobody there,
and you've got nothing to fear.
Yeah I got that part down
well you love me when I'm gone
but you can't stand me when I'm right here.
I'm so excited to be alone with you
and i've decided that you feel the same way too,
so get close to me oh baby we won't be bored
I swear, it's better than porn.
[we can talk about the weather...]