I was about to see if anyone wanted to go for some odds for a Jim Jones style murder-spree followed by mass-suicide/ascension.
But apparently he was just thrown in jail.
The crazy is strong with this one, if you feel like taking a break from rational thought and diving into some seriously fucked up christianist cat-logic, by all means, indulge.
brandon [email] said at 9:42 PM 05-06-2008: It's kind of a chicken and egg thing, religious whackjobs tend to be people you wouldn't want to fuck in the first place, hats off to George Carlin, but is that their terrible hair that causes the religious wackiness, and thus the unfuckableness, or is it that the unfuckablely bad hair leads to religious wackiness and thus more unfuckableness? Those idiot women from FDLS are another case in point. How can, what is painfully and obviously to even a half-educated semi-sentient Southerner such as myself, a brilliant scheme for males to have easy access to a continuous reproductive supply of fresh, young women, with the government i.e. us, paying for their incest children, be their "God's divine plan for me on earth?" e.g. marital rape by a cousin, pregnancy before your bones stop growing, for some, even before all of their baby teeth fall out - how stupid do you have to be to believe that? How arrogant to believe that you are the chosen and the rest of the world demon spawn? It's not even arrogance, really, it's programming, which is almost worse. We're all meat robots, sure, but they're something odious. I have a hard time feeling pity on them, they're like the old school feminist model of women who hold back other women, becase of what's been done to them. Short of taking them out in the back yard and shooting them, what can they possibly ever bring to society? They've already lamed their progeny. They certainly can't pay for themselves in the outside world.
Substitute the model of female circumcision, and there's the FDLS in plain focus.
kiche [email] said at 4:46 PM 05-07-2008: i find the entire flds affair to be really, really aggravating.
actually it's not the whole flds child molestation thing that aggravates me.
it's the mormon church. they've taken this occasion to stand up on a soap box and scream at the media about how they aren't expending enough ink talking about how the flds and the lds are not connected. meanwhile, the lds is using their online newspaper desertnews.com to write the most sympathetic media coverage of the flds case.
that and that if you go to any online news story about this with a comments section you will find tons of mormons screaming about how this is the rise of tyranny.
brandon [email] said at 5:27 PM 05-07-2008: Good observation. Utah arranges the occasional institutionalized child-molesting ring round-up, but for the most part it's wink, wink, nudge, nudge, business as usual. It shocks me, not really, that even in Texas it takes this long to break these things up. With this, the LDS get to distance themselves from the image of polygamy, while protecting the practice by hiding behind bs platitudes about freedom.
I had an argument with a supervisor about this the other day. She thinks the kids should be sent back to their mothers. I think this is horseshit, those mothers raped their daughters and abandoned their sons as much as their husbands did. If returned, they would return the children to the same conditions, where they are systematically raped and impregnated by close relatives. Probably they would abscond to some other location. Even the amish give their kids rumspringa. Not these kids. But that's me, a lot of criminal behavior in the U.S. squeaks past because it's undertaken under the guise and protection of religious establishments.
That religion has such a privileged status in our society is a mighty flaw.
kiche [email] said at 10:36 PM 05-07-2008: everytime flds polygamy comes up in the news; there is the obligatory "the government stopped raiding the flds because of massive public outcry".
bull fucking shit. the government quit raiding the flds because of massive public outcry from the lds church.
all i have to say is that the flds must be able to cook up some grade a methamphetamines in their bathtubs if they really thought they could move to a small town in texas with this shit.
texas probably executed more people last year than the rest of the industrialized world including the rest of the u.s. when i lived louisiana i knew plenty of stories of the cops pulling over people and harrassing them. didn't these people hear about waco?
brandon [email] said at 11:03 PM 05-07-2008: Bingo. I'm not too familiar with North Texas. But the rest of Texas's official apparatus seems to take a dim view of those things departing from the standard Christian narrative, including polygamy in the FLDS vein. Why it took this long, who knows? I think it was the mugshots that surfaced. Once it became clear that these were no mere polygamist mormons, but child rapists to boot, some kind of action had to be taken. You'll notice that almost all the mugshots of FLDS males arrested/indicted/put to trial/sentenced because of FLDS child buggering clearly depict the pedosmile Which is all these people are, when you snip away their biblical platitudes and smarmy double-speak, really, pedophiles who found that friendly fishing drew too much attention, so they decided to grow their own. Let them rot in prison. Hell, kill 'em. They're not retards or blacks, so who cares?
brandon [email] said at 11:20 PM 05-07-2008: I guess, ultimately it's immaterial to me. I'm pissy that Judith Krug once again has the awesome responsibility for announcing that a children's book about two male penguins raising a chick is the MOST CHALLENGED BOOK IN THE NATION.
I want to take the public by the collar, shake them "Negus, PLEASE find something else to complain about."
kiche [email] said at 11:22 PM 05-07-2008: here is what north texas thinks about alternative lifestyles.
they got away with this shit in texas for not as long as you'd think. the ranch was bought in 2004. the purchaser told everyone it was a hunting retreat.
the flds didn't interact with the local populace. the people living in the area didn't figure out what was up until they built the big church.
Geus said at 12:23 AM 10-17-2008: And what about the Pope?
The Pope visited in April in the USA, having thousands of bodyguards and a Pope Mobile, while Native REAL Holy people get persecuted.
brandon [email] said at 12:55 AM 10-17-2008: I don't quite follow where you're going with this. Are you saying that the Pope was complicit in the sex-abuse scandal? You won't find too many arguing that he wasn't.
The rest of your assertions, that there are holy people who are being persecuted in America - well, that's kind of absurd. You can't take a shit in America without the the scent wafting across a Church building. The place is lousy with them. You show me supposed religious persecution anywhere in the U.S., and I'll show you cowards hiding behind constitutional religious protections to excuse some other unlawful activity, be it rape, tax evasion, money laundering, or machine gun hoarding. In America the religious ar e in the majority; they hold all the reins of power. It's absurd for any religious group to claim persecution. It's more absurd than multibillion dollar corporations pursuing naked capitalism and demanding socialism when they fuck up. At least they're honest in their two-facedness, in their greed. The so-called religious demand their rights and protections and what have you, while they demand that you ignore or deny the fact that they are figuratively or literally fucking you or someone else in the ass the whole while.
Holy people indeed. The day a holy person steps foot on this earth is the day Diogenes's lamp shines on that one honest fellow.
When you become an adult, the scripture itself says that it's time to put off childish things. The idea that there are special, holy people out there is one of those hallmarks of an immature mind, one that desires to be lead, and handheld, provided with easy reasoning, and comforted by facile answers to the big questions.
The sooner one does away with this kind of ersatz hero-worship, the sooner one becomes a responsible person engaged with the world as it is, and not the world is it is said to be by someone else to whom one has sacrificed his or her autonomy for the easy pleasures of being told what to do and not having to think to hard about it.
brandon [email] said at 12:55 PM 10-17-2008: "When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things"
Paul's letter to the Corinthians,
1 Corinthianss 13.11
One of the most deliciously ironic things every written by a religious writer, ever.
