Every time I see these sanctimonious arguments given new currency for whatever reason, it brings me one step closer, mentally, to that Columbine-esque romp that's been nagging at me from the to-do list for years.
I swear, if the bombs ever drop, or the government vaporizes, or lesions eat my brain, - if one of those things happens and there's a spare 15 minutes or so, first stop, after burying my face in whatever amount of cocaine I can scrape together, I'm gonna plug some Christians - young ones, old ones, black ones, white ones, whatever I can find on my way down the street. I'd like make one eat broken glass, with a gun held to it's temple. I'd like to see a few of them piss their pants and spit out broken teeth. In short, I'd like to verb martyr . Like, it, that one over there, you get to be St. Je'meliah of Morse. And that one, it can be the beatified St. Rosen of Clark, forced to suck its own cock while crying out Jesus' name before its spine was snapped, and its lungs pierced by buck-shot
I don't know why this bothers me so much, maybe it's this Bible group that's been on campus lately, asking me, (it seems twice every time I go to lunch) "Want to join our Bible club?"
Fuck you, do I wanna join your bible club? If Jesus were around he'd take your Bible and cram up your rectum. He'd smoke some hashish rolled with the browned sheets from it, and introduce vermin spontaneously produced from his god-spunk past your rectal-shelf. Fuck, me, if Jesus were here I would be dog shit, but man I want to see him ripping out throats, ass-fucking the preachers, shitting in public, Scareing cities into curfews. Serving abortion soup to the lawyers, summoning demons and putting them to work - cause they got to be bored - I want to see him slitting open long coils of intestines filled with half-digested bile, smearing it all over his body, and waiting in cool mud for nuns to walk past. I want Jesus to get behind the controls of a 747 and just let it smack the ground - 500 people on board, dozens of adopted babies ripped from abortive mothers, and prematurely brain-damaged. I want one of those air-gulping fetuses to look straight into Baptist John's face and have the impossible thought: "I wish you had left me for vaccuum cleane/gillette razor Ro-Beast, you smug fuck." I want Jesus to take all the money from the collection basket rub his yut on the wafers. But he won't do any of these things. One, Jesus is a back-room sort of guy. Two, I heard that he never even jerked-off. I bet he did secret things with his awl though, secret terrible dirty things.
Christianity, as a meme, needs to be eradicated. I will never tell someone that, as an atheist I still respect your perogative to believe - I don't, I never have. Filthy Christians and your ghetto-poor thoughts and mentality grrrr.
This plane is definitely crashing/ This boat is obviously sinking/ This buildings totally burning down/ My heart is slowly drying up.
Speaking of which, does anyone know how to play "Heart cooks Brain" I just can't get it right, and it's really fucking with me.
Brandon said at 2:25 AM 02-27-2002: Why am I up this late? What happened to my link? 20 year old Christians are the worst. I remember some cunt of a baptist leaning across a table in college and trying to moralize about the relationship between Patrokles and Achilles, and how badly I wanted to rip out the side of his cheek with one swift gnaw.
zack [email] said at 2:47 AM 02-27-2002: Jeez, brandon.. Need to fuck a little more?
No offense, but over the top theatrical zealotry on either side of the religious debate is obnoxious as fuck where I'm concerned.
josh said at 9:33 AM 02-27-2002: Agreed. Religion is a private matter, as far as I'm concerned. I want to know about someone's religious life about as much as I want to know about their sex life.
josh/rocket [ url ] said at 2:55 AM 02-27-2002: I am not a typical [catholic] in many regards, and i agree that this propaganda must stop. we can all bandy about the child/choice arguments until they swallow us, but we will never know the truth.
I am sure that if Jesús did reappear, there would be a lot of changes - some of which may be similar to what you've described. I am not proud of what many of my colleagues do, but that does not affect my beliefs. There are some christians who will never stop until everyone feels as happy as they seem to be, but there are no answers for you regarding them. It's difficult having an intelligent conversation about religion with one of them, because their knowledge of something they hold to be infallibly true is often quite limited.
I agree, the buzzword must go. It is too easy to pigeonhole yourself as a christian, because nowadays it seems to be the easy way out. People in general look to follow the majority, root for the winning team, without actually knowing what it means. I won't say that I know, but I can say with conviction that many don't. However, if this idea of a meme is so repulsive, why are you able to lump all of them into one pile? Are they all alike? Have you met one that you don't hate? Christianity is a martyr's religion: it was founded on the bones of people that died for what they believed. No, making them martyrs will only erase their evil and ignorance. Threats? Persecution? Physical pain? It's all been done before. Shoot them, torture them, or abuse them, but once they hit the breaking point, how many will renounce that which they secretly knew to be false? Such attacks will not reveal the error of their ways, they will merely strengthen the resolve of those that survived.
Jesus died for you? Ha. He didn't die for you. Tell that to the bible jerks.
Neilbert said at 3:23 AM 02-27-2002: It's funny, I have always noticed that Athiests seem to have an utter hatred for Christianity, but tolerate other religions. Also, athiests ALWAYS think that they are right and everyone else is wrong. There is no discussion possible with an athiest, they have an "answer" for every possiblity for the existence of God, and anyone who disagrees with them is stupid.
My theory on life is this:
If God does not exist, then everything in the Universe came together by complete and utter chance.
If this is the case, then we also came about by this chance. This also means that ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING we do is useless, as ultimately we will not only die, but this planet will eventually die off, as will our sun, galaxy and then finally the Universe. Then everything will start all over again. It does not matter if we built the perfect, peaceful, society that encompassed the entire universe, it will all end.
This means that life is useless and serves no purpose whatsoever, not just on this planet, but on ANY planet. Even if we "evolved" into a super-space-faring race, able to manipulate things on a planetary scale, we would not be able to stop the entropy of universe: the state of decay of the universe. In the end we would die, and the universe would (in theory) be reborn again, effectively nullifying all life that came before.
Essentially, the Universe as a whole does not NEED life, it does just fine without it. The Universe is very big place, and we won't be missed.
I believe it's difficult to take an anti-god stance, as you only have three choices:
#1 The depressive, there is no use living, no point in going on, approach.
#2 Angry at the Universe approach.
#3 Let's party, we are all going to die anyway, approach.
For me, the whole abortion issue boils down to if you believe in God. If you don't believe in God, then there is absolutely no reason not to have an abortion. After all, if there is no God, then in the end, all of our rules and regulations that we put on ourselves to maintain an quasi-ordered life, are absoultely meaningless, as the Universe itself will consume us in the end.
I dunno, things on our planet (life)are simply too complex to dismiss as chance
josh said at 9:32 AM 02-27-2002: So why does your belief in things "not happening by chance" also mean that the Christian god is responsible? Couldn't any one of the many other religions also be correct? Or, perhaps, no one on Earth has actually got it nailed and life is a result of something/someone totally different than anything we've thought of?
Personally, I think it's pretty arrogant for anyone to think they KNOW, 100%, you are all wrong and I am all right, why we are here or how we came to be. I don't have an opinion about it, because it's something I can never know and am not qualified to judge (as if anyone is). (Though I have to admit I actively don't believe in the Bible as literal truth, or God as an old white dude with an army of winged eunuchs, or any of that business.)
If people want to believe in something, that's fine. If they don't, that's fine, too. Just keep me out of it, please.
And take note that my "approach" as you say, doesn't really fit into your 3 choices, Neil. This is because my world view is not predicated on the existance OR the nonexistance of a God. Because it's not like I used to believe and one day lost faith. Rather, I just _never_ believed. So I grew to have organizing principles about life and morality that didn't include wanting to do good so I don't go to hell. I want to be a good person because I think that's what people should strive to be, and that they should help people when they can, or at least not hurt them. The golden rule and all that.
When I was younger (I've been a nonbeliever as long as I can remeber), I often had people say things to me like "If I didn't believe in God, I'd go on a rampage and just do whatever I wanted". I think that sort of thinking is unhealthy, and the focus of many religions on punishment/rewards is a BAD THING™- whether is is 70 virgins in the afterlife or going to hell if you masturbate, people should do things for the right reasons, not because they are scared of punishment.
I'd also like to point out that your view on abortion reads like a good arguement for keeping it legal, which is probably not your view, since religious views are suppossed to kept separate from laws. Thus if you are saying the only reason to make abortion illegal is a religious one, then there is then no reason for it to be illegal in an ostensibly secular society. I don't want to get into an arguement about abortion here, just pointing that out.
Neilbert said at 3:32 AM 02-27-2002: It's funny, I have always noticed that Athiests seem to have an utter hatred for Christianity, but tolerate other religions. Also, athiests ALWAYS think that they are right and everyone else is wrong. There is no discussion possible with an athiest, they have an "answer" for every possiblity for the existence of God, and anyone who disagrees with them is stupid.
My theory on life is this:
If God does not exist, then everything in the Universe came together by complete and utter chance.
If this is the case, then we also came about by this chance. This also means that ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING we do is useless, as ultimately we will not only die, but this planet will eventually die off, as will our sun, galaxy and then finally the Universe. Then everything will start all over again. It does not matter if we built the perfect, peaceful, society that encompassed the entire universe, it will all end.
This means that life is useless and serves no purpose whatsoever, not just on this planet, but on ANY planet. Even if we "evolved" into a super-space-faring race, able to manipulate things on a planetary scale, we would not be able to stop the entropy of universe: the state of decay of the universe. In the end we would die, and the universe would (in theory) be reborn again, effectively nullifying all life that came before.
Essentially, the Universe as a whole does not NEED life, it does just fine without it. The Universe is very big place, and we won't be missed.
I believe it's difficult to take an anti-god stance, as you only have three choices:
#1 The depressive, there is no use living, no point in going on, approach.
#2 Angry at the Universe approach.
#3 Let's party, we are all going to die anyway, approach.
For me, the whole abortion issue boils down to if you believe in God. If you don't believe in God, then there is absolutely no reason not to have an abortion. After all, if there is no God, then in the end, all of our rules and regulations that we put on ourselves to maintain an quasi-ordered life, are absoultely meaningless, as the Universe itself will consume us in the end.
I dunno, things on our planet (life)are simply too complex to dismiss as chance
milky [email] said at 8:57 AM 02-27-2002: I'm Catholic. And Atheists can rant and rave all they want. Fuck it. I learned to tune them out like fundamentalists or Baptists. Catholics know they don't count anyway.
NuckleheadEd [ url ] said at 9:22 AM 02-27-2002: One of my favorite quotes of all time:
"...I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."
-Stephen F. Roberts
I guess 'live and let live' isn't cool, anymore. It's much trendier, apparently, to go with the 'I am gonna go SO Columbine on you' mentality.
I'm with Milky (in attitude) on this one. If soemone annoys you, ignore them. Do their words harm you in any way? "Want to join our bible club?" Yeah, I can see why you'd want to kill a mofo for saying that.
Actually, I can't. Maybe it's because, at most, I'd say "No thanks." Otherwise, I'd just ignore them completely. But hey, killing and maiming is so nihilistic and cool, right? Been a long time since I've been cool, so I'm asking... ya know?
brandon [email] said at 12:05 PM 02-27-2002: First? Who ever said that I was cool? Certainly not anyone here - except xmx ( and she's the only one that counts )
I once moaned to Josh that I was "no-longer hip" and he replied, "Brandon, you were never hip."
But I digress.
Once again, I deny the charges of Nihilism - they're simply not true.
Also, I am equally biased toward all religions: Jesus wrestling with himself not to beat-off is just as funny to me as Buddha: the anorexic years, and muslims in general. And Hindus, c'mon? I mean - you might as well revive the old Egyptian cults.
The old argument - a sort of three horned dilemma - that the opposite of a belief in God engenders catastrophic personal and social consequences is bunk, and can be dismissed out of hand. It bespeaks a weak and trivializing subject who sees these things in store for itself save the thin, frail line of "grace" and then extrapolates these dismal thoughts into the lives of others.
Black/white good/evil blah blah blah. Spare me. Applying terms like "Chance" and "need" are anthropocentric errors in logic and critical thinking. The universe doesn't need anything: rocks deer, black-holes, mutilated South American nuns, or Andy Garcia... oh, a shiney penny, tra la la la la
It pains me that the prima facie gestalt of my existence as monkey protoplasm is the dregs of a systemic cultural infection proudly displayed in all its maggot writhing putrefication by a people whose idea of tradition stops in the 1950's.
Like I've said before on this website - if you're going to go Christian, pick up your cross, give up your possessions, cut off your ties to your family, sit on a pole, slice off your balls, clitoridect yourself. Be a Christian - i.e a cult member.
Otherwise you're just part of the national religion that melds capitalism (missionaries at home and abroad) and good ol' American gumption - flood them with junk; make it gaudy: they'll buy.
Christianity was cooked into pap a long time ago, that's why it's referred to as an "-ity" and not "as that dangerous cult."
Granted, I don't REALLY want to shoot anybody, you dumb fucks ;) As the liberal axiom goes: "try not to be cruel when you know the facts"
Bon mots from Janet Renou, on the eve of her tearful resignation.
And Columbine - kitschy! What a tragedy! What a wake-up call to America to stop letting its children secret weapons away in its basements!
xmx weighs in with this opinion:
"It was long ago, 99. in comparison to september 11, i mean, shit, columbine is nothing. a fairy tale. hopefully the terrorism inspired the kids of today. They need to work harder, you know?"
The real reason that they didn't release the security tapes springs from the fact that all those Christian martyr virgins were caught on their knees licking the gun-barrels like dick at the behest of those two, misguided rascals, they were. Indeed, THEY SAID YES, yes to licking the metal dog before it splattered their brains like spackle... of course what I just wrote is completely fabricated and an utter lie.
xmx adds her fiddy-cents
you're so gay
Not gay, performance gymnastics, more like tumbling and shit.
gay gay gay
In then end: I don't really HATE Christians, I just don't value you them at all and think that they should die.
No that's not true, either!
Well, actually, no it's not. I like the blaspheming, whoring, drinking, smoking kinds of Christian. In short I guess I like catholic priests.
Sorry if anyone was really offended. No, I'm not, actually fuck you if you were... If you were just annoyed, well that's ok, it was an illogical, annoying, grating thing to write.
NuckleheadEd [ url ] said at 1:04 PM 02-27-2002: I was neither offended nor annoyed. It's hard to offend me by bashing religion, since my subscription to that stuff expired about 26 years ago. And, if I were annoyed, I'd have just ignored the post. Just thought I'd stimulate a little discussion on the whole "I don't like blah so I'm gonna shoot some mofos." That, I do believe, *is* stupid.
And, I don't know you, but I didn't honestly think you were gonna do that.
brandon [email] said at 1:25 PM 02-27-2002: well, thanks, I wasn't really including you, though. I don't see myself shooting too many people in the near future.
brandon [email] said at 1:05 PM 02-27-2002: xmx: I hate it when you back down and apologize though.
brandon: I'm sorry
xmx: don't be sorry. i just hate all those fuckers, and i agree with you, you drippy cunt.
brandon: maybe we should post this conversation, too.
brandon: About us hating those fecal-freak killogger cum-suckers
xmx: if i wasn't so sore today i would participate in the venomous discussion, but honey, religion is so passe, really.
xmx: i mean, neil, does he have nothing better to do with his time than dig up creation / chaos resources, and cohesively recombine his research into an argument seemingly of his own thoughts?
xmx: zzzz zzzzzzzz zzzzz
xmx: and josh, for crying out loud, he doesn't want to hear about anyone's sex life, and you know that's a load of complete bullshit. isn't josh the hypocrit who publicly complained about his roommate having loud sex? he just wants to spread the word about other people's sex lives i guess
xmx: violence is sooooo trendy brandon! i'm gonna kick you in the nuts with my new jimmy choos
xmx: gut you with the heels of my steve maddens
brandon: cool
xmx: did you see the runway show with the blood and knives and the fur and the fetuses tossed into the crowds like bouquets?
brandon: Yes, I sampled several of those fetuses, good year, earthy taste, it lingered on the palette: apparently they used a crisp, aged formaldehyde. No miscarriages or still-births for that set! Only the top, top-shelf!
xmx: i read in cosmo this month that short hair and blonde highlights are in, so are swiss army knives with emeralds in the handles
xmx: it's the look
xmx: it's the image
xmx: blood smeared on your face and staining your clothes is a fashion statement
brandon: cool
xmx: it's not the way you really feel
xmx: or a weak frustration lashing out that you can't kill
xmx: what time does your flight come in tomorrow?
brandon: i'm out of milk.
xmx *sigh*
xmeredithx said at 3:57 PM 02-27-2002: actually, i meant everything i said about _you_ josh, but in a funny my-big-brother's-such-an-ass affectionate way.
Brian Bibbly said at 2:41 PM 02-27-2002: Man, Brandon, that 'comic'(although there is nothing comical about it) just fucked my brain royally. I was trying to enjoy my 'Grandma's Vanilla Sandwich Cookies' at work when I innocently clicked on the link. Suddenly Grandma's delights ain't so good no more.
Alhtough I absolutely don't agree with them, you can't fault those mofos for tryin.
I did expect Spiderman to sling in there and save the day though.....shucks.
Brad [ url ] said at 2:12 AM 02-28-2002: When I worked the day shift at the cafe, I often had two Grandma's cookies for breakfast. They're pretty good to get you started.
